"Most prolific" rapist reporting - male vs female victims

“ The male victims have it no easier.”

And nobody said they did.

I don’t mean the whole thread is distasteful. It’s a very shocking piece of news and I do think it’s right people discuss it. But some of the comments seem to miss the point to me. The male victims have it no easier.

I find this thread really distasteful.
The thing that really struck me, was the mention of the fact that most victims didn’t want to know any details from the police around what happened and didn’t want their families knowing.
It might be the same has it been women but it just makes me think about the huge stigma around male rape.
I feel so very sorry for all his victims. How horrific

the specific wording is "most prolific rapist in British legal history"

This really isn't something that can be debated because it's simply a matter of numerical fact.

He has been convicted of raping 44 separate victims, and a further four victims of dexual assault by penetration

As such there is a very clear and simple point here - has any other rapist been convicted of raping more than 44/48 victims.

If not, then he is indeed very plainly the most prolific rapist in British legal history.

If you want to read something into that separate to what it actually means then thats up to you.

There are abusers such as William Goad who is reported to have abused 3500 boys - but was only found guilty on 14 counts. Worboys was convicted in respect of 12 victims.

The point here is clear - there were terabytes of evidence relating to the victims and the individual rapes, and this allowed the police and CPS to charge almost 200 counts of rape. This is something that I am sure they are quite proud of having done and got convictions, and it is indeed a moment of legal history.

And I very strongly doubt any previous rapist has had anywhere near this number of actually convictions. Other rapists may be more prolific, but this is purely 'in legal history', and that is something that is rightly being noted.

“ whatabout the womenz after what those poor men have gone through“

Again, not what anyone is saying.

People are asking - can you hear a difference in tone of reporting? Apparently one radio station issued a warning for sensitive content before reporting it.

People are asking - do rape victims all get asked the same questions?

How did Warboys ever considered for parole? Though I dare say this guy will too. I’ve already seen that one QC commented on him being a churchgoer. She can’t possibly think that’s an indication that someone isn’t an evil git?

He’s not a citizen, I think, which makes me wonder if there’s any hope of deportation.

To those saying we shouldn't talk about this because of the male victims, I don't see that I'm sure any victim of rape is happy when a rapist is convicted no one is saying any different.

What is clear to me from this case is that there is a difference in reporting between this and cases where the victims are female.

How are we supposed to highlight that if you can't talk about it or compare the two.

I don’t think anyone is saying “what about the women”. It isn’t a race to the bottom. All rape cases should be reported as per the OPs post.

Agree completely, OP. Husband said the same thing before I'd even mentioned it.

I do agree with you about the reporting being more sympathetic but I think it's a bit distasteful to do a whatabout the womenz after what those poor men have gone through.

I do wonder if men in general will feel more unsafe after this reporting. Knowing that it can happen to anyone.

And Sky tv tone when they said “he lived ALONE”. Ugh.

@autumnrose01
Also noticing an outcry about GHB with a tone I’ve not heard before.

Also, noticed this.

Sharon “ There is soooo much wrong with the way female victims of rape are treated but wishing for the same for men is NOT the answer. ”

That’s not what anyone said.

Yep, nasty thread which seeks to pit male rape against female rape and try and promote one as 'better / worse'. I knew it wouldn't take long on here. How very 'feminist' of some posters .

Read the bloody facts before launching into your misandry. .

Goodness I hope nobody wishes worse treatment for men. I would hope we all want better treatment for all victims. If anything I think people are saying that this is more the way all rape cases should be reported. Factually and with an emphasis on the suffering of the victims.

Wow. I’m with the previous poster who asks why this has to be a competition??

Have you just listened to the headlines and rushed on here to jump and down about it?? There was video evidence of the attacks FFS! That’s why they were believed. Most of the victims (if not all) didn’t even know they’d been attacked until the police contacted them.

The reporting was discussing the FACTS of the case. There is soooo much wrong with the way female victims of rape are treated but wishing for the same for men is NOT the answer.

“ I don’t imagine that male victims are ever asked about what underwear they had on that day either”

I’d be genuinely interested to know this. A friend in a rural area was attacked walking home from the local pub and when she was questioned, her reply to “what were you wearing?” Was “jeans and wellies” and the reply was “are you sure?”

Also noticing an outcry about GHB with a tone I’ve not heard before.

Youkidding that’s it, it’s the tone of the reporting.

Sorry to be thick, what’s the relevance of the book review?

I think it’s worth noting that reports say he should never be released (and clearly he shouldn’t) yet John Warbuoys was almost released last year despite being thought to have raped/sexually assaulted over 100 women. Male rape is often reportedly differently imo and I don’t imagine that male victims are ever asked about what underwear they had on that day either

Quentin yes.

It looks like her manager has had a quiet word. Not to be the thought police but it hasn’t occurred to her, I guess, that there might be victims listening to her comments.

I suppose this is a new angle for FWR. One hundred and ninety-five men identified (so far) as having been raped - 'but what about the women?'

I was having trouble deciding if there was a difference in the way it was dealt with and reported or if I was just seeing a difference because I was expecting to. Then DH came in and iwe were discussing the day's news and this came up and he said, 'I can't help noticing the difference in tone because the victims were men'.

I really hope that all victims get better treatment one day.

I believe he recorded many of his attacks making it difficult to ‘question’.

I’m here after hearing the case reported on Radio 2 news. Tone and angle of reporting very definitely different from usual, especially the focus on how the victims have been affected. I was only half listening actually, and it was the attention to the victims which make me pay closer attention, because that was unusual.

Just a point of note - the link given earlier is to a book review he wrote about someone else's work.