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Can men really grasp women’s reality re safety?

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Ritascornershop · 02/01/2020 06:03

I have a 19 year old son who is very compassionate and left-wing (I mention that as he’s been indoctrinated in TWAW) but who can’t grasp the discomfort many women feel at men in women’s private spaces.

And recently a friend was telling me that a family member of his (who he has quite the blind spot over) broke up with his girlfriend. The gf had, before she met his family member, been sexually assaulted. She was naturally quite traumatized by the rape but trying to heal and met this guy and got in a relationship with him. The way my friend tells it. his family member broke up with her after a few months (during an argument) & family member “got so uoset” he punched a hole in the wall and broke a chair. She called the police and called friends. My friend seemed to feel she over-reacted! I think any woman would be frightened and that a woman who’d been sexually assaulted would be particularly terrified.

It does not seem a tricky concept to me, but both these men seem to not be able to wrap their heads around how frightening it can be to be vulnerable around larger, stronger, angry males. Is this something most men don’t get or are these two not trying very hard?

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CatintheFireplace · 02/01/2020 06:27

I don't think it's fundamentally and difference between men and women. Some people are empathetic and others are not.

Mummyoflittledragon · 02/01/2020 06:26

I think it’s difficult for men to truly get it. I’ve told my dh some stuff and his eyes were as wide as saucers as it doesn’t affect him and these things never touched his radar. I think a lot of men are brought up and given signals in society that females are inferior. It’s ingrained, learnt bias, which they wouldn’t even question because it’s so insidious. Then when they’re challenged on it, these all so compassionate men go NAMALT and get upset and defensive rather than actually listen. It’s the same with any marginalised group. The stronger section gets outraged and presume they know better than the affected group.

SimonJT · 02/01/2020 06:26

I read this a while ago and it fairly accurately sums up how I feel.

“ I keep moving. I am always moving. I take the stairs, not the lift, never stand on the escalators if on my own, but walk up them instead. I don’t pause to look in shop windows, or watch buskers or the cup-and-ball conmen; I walk on, quickly, with purpose – because I like to get where I am going, yes, but also because I know it’s harder to hit a moving target. If you dart past the rest of the world, allow yourself to be a blur, you’re less likely to be noticed, to attract their attention, get them to question whether there’s something different about you that they either desire, fear, or feel powerful enough to exploit. Experience has taught me perpetual motion is my greatest protection.”

Many men who are BAME and/or gay most certainly don’t feel safe when out an about. But it doesn’t mean a man knows how a woman feels, just as a woman doesn’t know how a man feels. They’re both unsafe, but largely for different reasons.

I don’t think I have ever met anyone who wouldn’t be scared by someone punching holes in walls or smashing chairs. Surely only another violent person would find that sort of behaviour normal?

howwillthispanout · 02/01/2020 06:21

You do not have a compassionate son

Oopsypoopsy2020 · 02/01/2020 06:14

My DP always reverts back to ‘men can be in DV relationship too’ and ‘women can be violent to women’s too’ he doesn’t seam to grasp that a much higher percentage of women feel threatened by men.

Puta · 02/01/2020 06:10

Men 'get' this. But very few of them give a fuck, because women being frightened suits them just fine.

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