British woman found guilty of making up rape claims

because of the conclusions it leads to about women who do as well as the dismissal of their bodily autonomy.

Heaven forbid that we should prioritise rape victims over career porn stars making world record attempts as publicity stunts with supervision, mandatory on-site STI testing of the male participants prior to their "turn" with her, and a lot of additional lubricant. Which was the only documented example of a consensual "gang bang" involving 12 or more men with one woman that I could find.

Women do not consent to sex with that many men after a night out.

• Abrasion
• Bruising
• Tearing
• Cystitis risk
• STI risk
• Pregnancy risk
• The risk of battery all preclude any woman saying yes to 12 men at once unless lots and lots of safeguards have been put in place, which isn't the case on a night out.

I believe that this woman didn't consent to sex with 12 men.

She has testified clearly that she consented to sex with one man, and said NO to the 11 others who burst into the room.

I also agree that women agreeing to have sex with 12 men all at once would be vanishingly rare - and it certainly shouldn't be normalised.

There may be a time and a place for "sex pozzie, don't slut shame, your kink is not my kink " type comments, but surely this thread, about a young woman who has been gang raped, is definitely not it.

In the circumstances that have been described, I think it's fair to say that the chance of any rational woman (or man for that matter) consenting are vanishingly small.

Thanks for the link, I've donated. I hope she can be helped.

I agree completely with you that it's unusual. It's the total dismissal of any woman ever wanting to engage in a specific activity that I see as harmful because of the conclusions it leads to about women who do as well as the dismissal of their bodily autonomy.

Come on - the dismissal was given in the very specific context of a night out in a resort in Cyprus with your holiday fling. I think "end of" is a fairly normal response to that.

Any woman consenting to sex with 12 men at the same time is highly unusual and is more than likely doing it in the context of some sex club/planned event. We all know this. I don't want to pretend that there are liberated women out there having sex with 12 at a time on random nights out and if I don't respect that I am slut shaming. That doesn't happen in the context of this case and we all know it. If there is "consent" in a hotel room in Magaluf or whereever it is a drunken consent.

Btw I believe her. I think one could donate to the organization mentioned in the Guardian article to help: NAVAW

gronky

What conclusions? Actually curious what damage could be worse than having the alternative assumption.

Honestly I think you could ignore gender in this one instance. It’s a good assumption that almost no PERSON male or female would consent to sex under those circumstances (getting f* by 11 random strangers).

what harm would be caused by presuming women don't usually consent to sex with their dates and 11 of their friends?

That's very different to:

"Women don't consent to sex with 12 guys at a time. End of."

I agree completely with you that it's unusual. It's the total dismissal of any woman ever wanting to engage in a specific activity that I see as harmful because of the conclusions it leads to about women who do as well as the dismissal of their bodily autonomy.

In a wider sense, beyond this specific, deeply unfortunate case, please consider the harm that attitudes like this can cause to other women.

what harm would be caused by presuming women don't usually consent to sex with their dates and 11 of their friends?

I believe her

Women don't consent to sex with 12 guys at a time. End of.

I wouldn't say end of - maybe some women would consent to sex with 12 guys at a time. Does anyone know any woman who has? But I think that is a very rare woman.

The automatic presumption that a woman WOULD consent to sex with 11 unknown friends of her date instead of the presumption that it is far more likely she wouldn't is what bothers me. It is entirely born out of porn - people have now succeeded in presuming that what would normally be extreme porn-fantasies are somehow the norm for 19 year olds.

that sounds terrifying Angel.

Sorry - I read the link all the way through , and I see that it is her dad.

Women don't consent to sex with 12 guys at a time. End of.

In a wider sense, beyond this specific, deeply unfortunate case, please consider the harm that attitudes like this can cause to other women.

How does anyone know that those gofundme fundraisers are legitimate? Anyone could set up a fundraiser and say it was for her. Who is John Hobbs - the name on that gofundme ljnk?

I am not judging against a whole nation but a similiar thing happened to me with a group of Israelis.

I was having a holiday romance with one. I was having sex with him in his hotel room, three of his friends came to the door - he said oh of course they can join in. He went to open the door quickly while I was lying there naked. I wrapped the blanket around me and went and locked myself in the bathroom. I wouldnt come out until they were gone. But it was the way he just assumed - you are having sex with me, of course tou will have sex with my friends

Good to have the link even if fleetingly. It is some small measure of comfort in the face of this horrific miscarriage of justice and the awful ordeal this young woman went through in the first place that so many people care, and are on her side, and are prepared to support her.

It really bothers me how it is being reported by the press. If you catch the headline you have no idea of the story just that someone has been jailed for a false rape accusation. I didn't read the full story until later today and was so shocked compared to the snippets I'd heard/seen on headlines.

barbara - hopefully a few people will follow the link before it gets removed

but point taken.

it is good that people are supporting the fund to help teen victim get justice in cyprus

Donated in the name of all of our daughters.

Alec, just to let you know, MN will almost certainly delete your post because they have a blanket policy of not allowing links to crowd funders. The trick is to include enough information that people can Google it for themselves.

I believe her.

www.gofundme.com/f/Help-Teen-Victim-Get-Justice-In-Cyprus?d=PaAa5CdH0YmVZ5Du%2FaGSH7eYFQxcW8eoRKGbdpwYajE%3D

I believe her. My heart breaks for what she must be going through.

I found her crowdfunder on Julie Bindel's Twitter page and have retweeted and donated.

A short video was posted to pornhub.

I hope her lawyers get it taken down. This is why I just can't trust men any more: I don't know if the lovely colleague at the next desk might rape me and put the footage online if given the chance. The technology that I had hoped would help us to prove rape cases is instead used to make sure that the victim is violated thousands of times more after the rape by men wanking to the footage of this criminal act.

for her and I really hope that she is told the number of women supporting her and believing her and that our support gives her some strength.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/30/briton-found-guilty-over-ayia-napa-false-claim-cyprus?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

UK Govt are "raising concerns" - lets hope something actually happens.