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Transgender musician cancels gig after being 'banned' from using women's toilet

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stumbledin · 30/12/2019 00:19

Once again the power of the trans lobby has turned a story in which a member of staff behaved correctly - ie saying the women's toilets were for biological females, not somebody who has an identity.

But now the management are saying the staff will get training as they too seem to have swallowed the trans reality pill that says the EA protects trans but not women.

As usual most of the comments are just snigger, snigger although one has said what about how the women using the toilets fees.

Yet again the mainstream media, either because they just cant be bothered or have had Stonewall trainging publish reports that are actually not factual.

The trans tide just keeps on rolling on engulfing anyones who tries to stand in its way.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-musician-cancels-gig-after-21183203

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JellySlice · 30/12/2019 09:42

A bit tenuous, I think, given that wokie practices are usually imposed upon employees by institutions/organisations/companies in an uninvited top-down manner, and then it's those employees, the actual service providers, who bear the brunt of service-users anger. Service-users and service-providers of all classes and all philosophies.

LangCleg · 30/12/2019 08:57

The idea that working class people in service jobs are there to validate TRAs comes up again and again.

Yes, it does. And serfs to be sacked if they don't come up to sufficiently deferential scratch. They might as well demand we doff our caps.

LangCleg · 30/12/2019 08:56

That Instagram!

Dhalandchips · 30/12/2019 08:42

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TheProdigalKittensReturn · 30/12/2019 08:32

The idea that working class people in service jobs are there to validate TRAs comes up again and again.

In this case I'm not sure how the service worker in question was meant to know that this particular performer considered themself to be anything other than what they appear to be at a quick glance. Who knew that psychic powers were meant to come standard?

JellySlice · 30/12/2019 08:22

Hopefully the training that will be put in place at the venue will be to teach staff not to ask about trans status in any way, but to counter that the Equality Act states that trans people must not be discriminated against relative to their sex, therefore it would be illegal to ban any male from using the men's loos on the basis of their presentation or self-identification. Also that the EA specifically permits barring trans-identified people from opposite-sex services when reasonable - eg loos, where it is reasonable to protect the safety and dignity of women.

Something along those lines, though more succinct and clear than I have put it.

DeeZastris · 30/12/2019 08:15

More evidence that TRAs love bossing around working class people.

Seems to be a lot of bar staff, retail workers, receptionists, bouncers etc are supposed to have a crystal ball and know that someone who looks like a natal Male is actually a woman. 🤦‍♀️ TRAs genuinely seem to think people on minimum wage, zero hour contracts deserve to lose their jobs because they didn’t validate them.

Kit19 · 30/12/2019 07:53

Ahhhhh they work at Bristol university - that famously women friendly university

AnyOldPrion · 30/12/2019 06:19

The counter to this is that perhaps venues which don’t want to upset their female customers might think twice about booking this band, who behaved in a highly unprofessional manner.

Clymene · 30/12/2019 05:57

So Amelia wasn't forced to use the men's toilets, putting Amelia at risk? So nothing to do with wanting to pee safely and in peace and everything to do with validation and making a political point.

NightLion · 30/12/2019 04:44

Thank you for fixing that @Agrona

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Ereshkigal · 30/12/2019 02:01

"It is illegal for anyone to to tell or suggest to any individual which facilities they can or cannot use in any establishment. It is discrimination, period.
"Transgender people have protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010."
The act states that establishments that provide separate services for women and men are required to treat transsexual people in the same way as the gender they present as.

Not true. Stonewall law.

xJodiex · 30/12/2019 01:17

Angry not a single thought for the women who don't want the person in there.

Agrona · 30/12/2019 01:00

I prefer this version:

Amelia said: "Be an ally to trans people women. Speak out and speak up against ignorance and prejudice, we need you and your voice. There is zero place for transphobia misogyny or discrimination in modern society."

NotTerfNorCis · 30/12/2019 00:52

Also here.

The big question is: if a male person claims to be female, is that person female, or a male claiming to be female?

If the first - what is female?

donquixotedelamancha · 30/12/2019 00:46

A clearer picture of Amelia here:images.app.goo.gl/gab2VBoieZFRBkmn7

Incredible that the female customers didn't recognise Amelia's inherent femininity. Terribly transphobic of the venue to offer a compromise which met Amelia's needs but allowed women privacy.

Still, they have learned that resistance is futile. Hopefully the manager has been 're-educated'.

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