Female staff shun MOD's pongy new mixed sex loos

@BeverleyGoldbergsJumpers ...so women who CAN’T (not won’t) use mixed sex facilities - would that be because of religion? 99% of swimming pools are mixed sex.

Or how about just because they said ‘no’. Novel concept right - women asking to just keep what they already carved out, without the need to again justify that need.

...because of religion? 99% of swimming pools are mixed sex.
So let the transwomen go to the mixed sex sessions, and because ‘no means not a negotiation on rights already won’, not the women only sessions.

No one is denying transwomen the right to swim, or (in a mixed sex arena) trying to “out” them.

If you have a petition for ‘transwomen only’ swim sessions, sign me up.

Oh and PS FamilyOfAliens said “... woman wouldn’t want to share” she did not say “...who CAN’T (your caps) (not won’t) use mixed sex facilities“

Agreed - so I assumed the correspondent was talking about their home lavatory!

Yes, please look down your nose upon the people making your toilets clean. Fast food worker during uni.

They also run often have women only sessions

(Until men complain it's not fair. They never want a men only one, just to stop the men only one. Similar complaints when there are women only gyms, never heard of women complaining about the handful of men only gyms that exist).

And the vast majority of sex related crimes at pools take place in mixed sex changing facilities.

I have seen women’s toilets in the state someone described - parents’ evening at my dd’s school. I had to pop to the loo and use the girl’s toilets. It was properly grim. I have occasionally seen sanitary bins which need emptying.

@FamilyOfAliens - so women who CAN’T (not won’t) use mixed sex facilities - would that be because of religion? 99% of swimming pools are mixed sex.

"My question is this, if men want single sex toilets, women want single sex toilets and disabled people (quite rightly) don’t want to give up the sole rights to their toilets then where are transgender people (transmen or transwomen) supposed to go?"

A third space is the answer. An accessible space. Who has consulted disabled people on this issue? I'm disabled and used to sharing the space with baby change facilities and CF's. I'm used to them being covered in piss, for a whole host of reasons. They also stink of shit - not just from babies nappies - but disabled people have been grudgingly accepting this for years. Another penis spraying piss everywhere doesn't bother me in the slightest.

I've never seen women's toilets in the state described by a PP either. Not even at music festivals.

I hardly ever see women’s toilets in the state described by the pp.

I never see this tbf.

Indeed. And in any case, if sanitary disposal provision is inadequate, it's hardly the fault of the user.

Wasn't the Hampstead Heath ponds the decision of Edward Lord? Whose partner claimed that the only difference between men and women was the size of their clitoris/penis - a big one meaning you were male, and a small one meaning you were female?

And who issued a consultation about the City of London facilities in general, but threw away all the replies he didn't agree with?

I never see this tbf.

Agreed - so I assumed the correspondent was talking about their home lavatory!

I wonder whether they would be evicted now that - in theory! - everyone can use any pond, as long as they claim to be in the right pond for their gender identity.

They would be thrown out in exactly the same way. Men do not get steamrollered on this like women do.

Women do not have a pond that is exclusively for women to use, and for all women this is discriminatory because men get to choose privacy but women have it denied them.

That said, the Man Friday actions (when women went swimming in the men's pond to demonstrate against the invasion of males into the women's pond) took place before the change in the regulations which opened up the women's pond to men. Their demonstration was intended to show how inappropriate it would be to define the ponds by gender identity. I wonder whether they would be evicted now that - in theory! - everyone can use any pond, as long as they claim to be in the right pond for their gender identity.

Leaving pads/tampons festering in a heaped up bin; hovering over the seats (or leaving scraps of toilet tissue on the rim); blood drippings on the toilet.

I never see this tbf.

Single-sex facilities are absolutely necessary for privacy, dignity and safety, but c’mon, women’s loos are pretty disgusting as well. Leaving pads/tampons festering in a heaped up bin; hovering over the seats (or leaving scraps of toilet tissue on the rim); blood drippings on the toilet. It has its own peculiar smell (but yes, the men’s loo does stink of acrid piss).

We shouldn’t argue that women’s toilets are needed because men’s are disgusting (they are both disgusting in differing ways). It’s because we need them for our own dignity and safety!!!

What about that post don’t you understand, beverley?

Is it that you can’t think of any reason why a woman wouldn’t want to share a space with men that was previously just for women?

@FamilyOfAliens - I was asking why because GirlDownUnder had said this...

‘ women do not have a pond that is exclusively for women to use, and for some women this is exclusionary because they cannot use mixed sex facilities (access to no areas)’

And then women turned up at the men's pond in protest. Cue much consternation.

Women protested and tried to keep it all woman. Men said no.

Ah okay. I agree with you completely but had the idea that the women’s pond might be holding out. God this makes me angry

Are there transwomen using the women’s pond?

The management of the ponds have confirmed that transwomen are welcome to use the women's pond. That’s official.

For certain sections of society who need single sex spaces, the fact they are open to born males, who could turn up at any point and be permitted to swim there, is enough to prevent them wanting to use them.

I mean, I'd guess not many people in general are using the pond in the middle of winter. Let's see what happens when it warms up.

Why can’t some women use mixed sex one - is that out of choice?

Why is that even a question women have to answer? It’s none of your business, with respect. We have - or, let’s be realistic, had - single sex spaces which were hard fought for. We don’t have to justify why we still need them.

Are there transwomen using the women’s pond? I had the impression that that wasn’t much of an issue at the moment.