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Anyone want to talk real life feminist dystopias with me?

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wakemewhenitsallover · 28/12/2019 13:41

There's currently an assault on language that relates words describing women to reproductive functions and to motherhood.

So we've had women and mothers described as "cervix havers", "birthing parents" , "mentruators", "gestators" etc.

Why? Who does the benefit in the long term?

Let's assume for a moment, that this is very deliberate and funded by a group of people with clear aims in mind.

If so, what would those aims be?

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Antibles · 28/12/2019 14:54

thesmallclanger your post reminds me of Lenny Kravitz's (very feminist I thought) song Black Velveteen on just that subject. Including the immortal lyrics "Black Velveteen's cunt smells like strawberry kittens"...

Antibles · 28/12/2019 14:47

I'm not quite sure of the relevance of AI per se but rather as a tool to control people, which of course it has huge potential to be. Orwell said that it comes down to the basic desire for power, for power's sake.

Any concept or tool that helps to mix people up and weaken them will do if that's your goal. So I suppose yes, AI, undermining the concept of motherhood and family, replacing the reality of sex with the ideology of gender, undermining dominant cultures via identity politics and physically through mass immigration and imposed multiculturalism which was discussed on another thread. I suppose it all works to destabilise existing power structures at various levels.

Even if ultimately it's just to sell people more stuff rather than a Bond villain wanting to take over the world, the effects may be very disturbing.

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wakemewhenitsallover · 28/12/2019 14:38

For anyone interested in transhumanism - it's the idea that the next stage of human evolution will be self-directed, using technologies that we've developed. So, that could be through the creation of "designer" babies (genetically modified humans, basically). And/or through the merging of humans and technology (cyborgs).

Many people in the tech industries (including some with significant resources) take these ideas seriously and are working towards them.

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milliefiori · 28/12/2019 14:29

It immediately reduces you to nothing but your biological function. No longer a whole person, a human being, a character with a range of purposeful functions in society. Just a breeder, on a par with a heffer or a bitch made to breed pedigree dogs before being put out to pasture. It is grossly reductive. And if that is all you are, then rights are unnecessary, respect is unnecessary etc. It's a great shortcut to undoing the fragile progress feminism has made in the last forty years.

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wakemewhenitsallover · 28/12/2019 14:27

Article this week:

Homegrown company looks to create breast milk without the need for mothers

SINGAPORE — A new start-up in town is eyeing a slice of the multi-billion dollar infant milk formula industry, by making their own breast milk — no nursing moms needed.

Homegrown start-up Turtletree Labs has found a way to generate milk from stem cells, which it says no other company in the world has done before.

The process, which is pending patent, can produce the milk of any mammal.

Speaking to TODAY on Monday (Dec 23) at its lab at Block 79 along Ayer Rajah Crescent —a space by Agency for Science, Technology and Research (AStar) for budding start-ups —Mr Max Rye, the chief technology officer at the company, said it is taking aim at the infant milk formula industry, which is currently valued at US$45 billion.*

According to market research consultancy Fortune Business Insights, this figure is expected to more than double by 2026.

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TheSmallClangerWhistlesAgain · 28/12/2019 14:23

I remember reading something in Germaine Greer's The Whole Woman about artificial women - sex robots and figures in porn, I think it meant - meaning that men could do away with real, messy, difficult women. You could argue that very feminine transwomen could fulfil this function. All the fun feminine bits of "womanhood" without the boring stuff like pregnancy and periods. Women then get reduced to "gestators" and can be safely ignored.

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wakemewhenitsallover · 28/12/2019 14:23

Antibles I wonder if it's really about trans people at all, in the long term?

I wonder if something deeper is going on here and if trans ideology is just the stepping stone....

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wakemewhenitsallover · 28/12/2019 14:21

Like, for example, what if the end goal of many of the corporates / people who are funding trans ideology is transhumanism?

e.g. see Martine Rothblatt - trans rights activist, transwoman and philanthropist - the world's richest "women". Martine has written a book called From Transgender to Transhuman: A Manifestoon the Freedom-Form

Martine is aiming for inventing immortality. (Martine also has an AI robot, Bina, based on Martine's actual wife).

It's illegal in most countries to clone humans or create designer babies. It must be very inconvenient for those who want to make use of such technologies legally. But if public opinion changed on that, then maybe the laws could be changed. Perhaps they've identified that attachment to the concept of motherhood is a barrier to acceptance, so they're waging war on it?

Babies born without mothers is not science fiction but the future, suggest scientists

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Antibles · 28/12/2019 14:10

Getting male sexual fetishes validated and legitimised.

Putting uppity women and their pesky rights back in their box.

Providing a huge avenue of entertainment for sociopaths. We are such great supply - look at the amount of time and energy we spend pointing out the patently obvious to gaslighting bastards.

The language thing tests how much control you've got over ordinary people because if you can get basic untruths like 'men can be women' accepted, you know your power is in the ascendant and you can push forward with your agenda.

The trans concept has only exploded in an environment of women's rights. No coincidence. How many men would bother (or did bother) claiming to be a woman in a culture in which women had few or no rights? (With exceptions such as the even worse social cost of being gay in Iran).

At base it's the pursuit of power. As George Orwell describes in 1984.