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Cancelled by the Woke

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vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 12:32

unherd.com/2019/12/how-i-was-cancelled-by-dr-who/?tl_inbound=1&tl_groups[0]=18743&tl_period_type=3

Great article, very interesting insights re Dr Who fans. I recognise what he is talking about. Thank goodness this is impacting more and more people.

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Goosefoot · 27/12/2019 03:17

I thought the writer's perception that some fans felt the stories were there to serve a moral purpose was interesting.

I've noticed this a lot, you can't have a story that's morally ambiguous these days. Actually I am thinking too about the other discussion about A Christmas Carol, and I think that comes into this sense that people have that stories in film and books are being used as social activism more than real storytelling, be it in terms of casting, or including social issues in the plot, whatever.

Goosefoot · 27/12/2019 03:12

I really was not keen on the lesbian lizard lady. That whole set of storylines, they did't make a lot of sense, and they didn't seem possible. Which seems like a weird thing, but if I compare it say to the first new episode, with the living plastic mannikins - that seemed plausible. Crazy alien plastic coming alive in modern London. I had a formative experience as a child when I tried to shake hands with a mannikin and the hand came off - that episode was the stuff of nightmares for me.

But lizard ladies and dinosaurs in Victorian London - that's the past, right? We'd have heard of that.

Pandering to the hardcore fanbase landed us with the Matt Smith era; overly-complicated stories written purely for geeks where the casual viewer had to wait to hear Smith's last-minute explanation to understand what the hell had happened in the previous hour.

I was a pretty dedicated viewer though not a "fan" I tuned in reliably every week. And I usually like complicated, even slow plotting, and plots that extend over seasons rather than being very episodic. But many of those episodes confused the hell out of me, and the series were very over-written, disappearing up their own arses. It seemed toward the end that they was nothing ever really new or different it was all completely self-referential, like a sort of black hole crushed it all down into a tiny speck.

I think I watched the first Carpaldi season and then I said enough is enough.

Clymene · 26/12/2019 17:16

I don't watch Doctor Who but that is a great article.

This bit particularly resonated: "But, then, BBC Studios made the classic embarrassing middle-aged error of assuming a loud, small group of young people are representative of all young people."

This is rife not just across the BBC but across many of our organisations, including the Labour Party.

vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 17:08

Sorry, that was to Rufflecrow

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vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 17:05

I think more than it being about any particular trans issue, the article is more about the raging mobs that descend if your opinion steps out if line with the 'progressive' mindset. I don't watch Dr Who but I thought the writer's perception that some fans felt the stories were there to serve a moral purpose was interesting.
I wouldn't want to watch something if being 'inclusive' was one of the strong points. With a good story that wouldn't matter to me.

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Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:59

Sexually not sexuality
Hole not whole!
In not out Confused

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:58

Lol at autocorrect sorry

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:57

Everyone knows that women are sexuality submissive and it doesn't matter which whole the man sticks out in.

A. Heteronormative much?
B. Which hole is of great interest to most men
C. Gross misogyny

This person is busy sharing their worldview with girls.

Vive le patriarchy.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/12/2019 16:50

Also that Dawson comment pretty much sums up Dawson's belief in what womanhood entails.
And the fact that's apparently perfectly fine with the woke while Roberts dropped by his publishers for saying that men aren't women says everything about the state of the trans movement.

JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown · 26/12/2019 16:47

Excellent article. This summed it up for me:

I used to wonder what happened to all the repressed, uptight people I remembered from my youth. The self-deniers, the quivering zealots, the senior prefects and hall monitors. The revellers in victimhood, moral certainty and sententiousness, who enjoy nothing better than a good old ban, where did they go? Turns out, they never left us. They went to Uni, got woke, and became our masters.

ThePurported · 26/12/2019 16:38

Interesting that Dawson is still a darling of the BBC but Roberts got cancelled because 'values'.

'Fucked like a woman'
Men who enjoy sissification are not women. What is the difference?

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:13

But we had Captain Jack, lesbian lizard etc and that was all fine as not heavy handed

RuffleCrow · 26/12/2019 16:12

I think people are in danger of throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Inclusivity and Doctor Who aren't necessarily incompatible. I like the egalitarian spirit of JW's doctor. It's only the ever creeping trans/fetishist Juno Dawson etc agenda that's inappropriate and needs to be rooted out. Let's not throw away centuries of progress (or decades in DWs case) because some weirdos have muscled in to put themselves front and centre!

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 16:12

Didn't like capaldi as Dr who at all which was such a disappointment.

Whittaker is ok but I don't know why she has to have her mouth hanging open all the time. I think it's supposed to make her look surprised and excited or something but it makes her look a bit dim which is not what I was hoping for with first female doc!

Current heavy handed moralising is boring.

I grew up with Tom baker and so naturally like the goodies/baddies/running up and down lots of identical corridors etc Grin

More recent Dr who has been excellent-weeping angels, the one with the library, the one with the base on Mars and the water shooting everywhere, really brilliant. Forgot which doc, tennent maybe... Might get on Netflix Grin

TiredofthisBS · 26/12/2019 16:11

I gave up watching the new series with JW because I got fed up with the preachy storylines. It's boring, doesn't make great tv and a total turn off if all you want is enjoyable sci-fi.

snowblight · 26/12/2019 16:03

'When I was working on Doctor Who around ten years ago, it was an unwritten law that the highly engaged, highly entitled, highly strung breed of fans were to be ignored as much as possible.'

Pandering to the hardcore fanbase landed us with the Matt Smith era; overly-complicated stories written purely for geeks where the casual viewer had to wait to hear Smith's last-minute explanation to understand what the hell had happened in the previous hour.

FeckTheMagicDragon · 26/12/2019 16:00

I agree with TimeLady. And I was looking forward to a lady Dr too.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 26/12/2019 15:57

An awful lot of TV drama and books are boringly, clunkingly moralistic these days. It's quite Victorian in a way.

TimeLady · 26/12/2019 15:46

I was so looking forward to a female Doctor, as I've been a Who fan since the 60s, but I gave up on the last series (and indeed on the last Capaldi one) because of the utterly boring scripts and one-dimensional characters.

Watching it is like playing woke bingo.

DeeZastris · 26/12/2019 15:20

I do like Jodie Whittaker but she’s not a great doctor. Seems to be constantly on the verge of a panic attack

The scripts are dire. Peter Capaldi was let down by dreadful scripts too.

Juno Dawson has always given me the creeps. Even before transition.

vaginafetishist · 26/12/2019 15:16

Dawson- Stonewall School Champion 2014.

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SidJS · 26/12/2019 15:04

Wrath what the f##k??!! My daughter has read Juno’s books - Inc library books from school.

BigFatLiar -I sort of agree. I think the Matt Smith interpretation was probably a bit similar. Have to say I do like Jodie Whittaker and my daughters love her.

slipperywhensparticus · 26/12/2019 14:14

I was watching the latest dr who yesterday I pointed out she was girly and scattered unlike the others my daughter thinks she is like 11 Hmm

Fraggling · 26/12/2019 14:07

Glad Juno is sharing her views on female sexuality with girls aged 12 and up.

That's just brilliant.

BigFatLiar · 26/12/2019 14:03

I think that the problem with the current Dr Who is they are trying to hard to be inclusive at the cost of some pretty poor scripts. Jodie Whittaker isn't a good Dr, not sure if it's the scripts or her but she seems to be constantly in a mixture of panic and confusion. The scripts try to hard to be socially aware at the cost of entertainment which is what Dr Who is meant to be.