No Female toilets!

@wacademia this is absolutely spot on!

a coachload of very baffled looking elderly tourists in front of the loos, staring at the sign in confusion

This is the other issue that really gets on my norks: there are eight other protected characteristics in the Equality Act and six of these get stomped all over for the sake of trans folk.

• age: older people are going to be puzzled by these unconventionally-labelled toilets, and boy children who, up until about eightish, are tolerated in the female loos for their safety because they pose no risk to women, lose out on the safety afforded by a space free of adult males.
• disability: anyone with a learning disability may struggle to understand which loo to use. Visually-impaired people will struggle to read "cubicles" but can make out the "woman in a dress" sign, and will also be alarmed if they hear an opposite-sex voice in a space they thought was single-sex.
• race: includes people from another country who may not read enough english to know what "cubicles" means, but will know what the "woman in a dress" sign means.
• religion or belief: hijabi women and orthodox jewish women need visual privacy from males.
• pregnancy and maternity: pregnant women being forced to queue for longer with a foetus clog-dancing on her bladder, miscarrying women not having a female-only toilet to manage their miscarriage in, no female-only space for a lactating mother to remove her top at the sink and rinse out milk stains caused by involuntary let-down, nowhere female-only to breastfeed or express milk (especially at work where parent and baby rooms aren't provided and a mother may have returned to work whilst still lactating).
• sex: managing periods etc is done to death on this board already, but I'd like to highlight the need of female victims of male sexual violence, who outnumber all other victims of sexual violence, to have female-only spaces when naked from the waist down. I don't know about anyone else, but when Aunt Flo turns up, my swollen uterus presses on my bladder and I need to pee more urgently. Being menstruation-related, this is a female-only problem, and making women queue for even longer makes this worse.

It was definitely 'cubicles' and 'urinals' when they first did it, so it's interesting that they changed it since. I remember because I was heavily pregnant (so it was summer 2018) and needed to pop to the loo on my way from town to the library and went there to find a coachload of very baffled looking elderly tourists in front of the loos, staring at the sign in confusion. I went to 'cubicles' (or, 'women', as it had been the week before) and they looked so relieved that this very clearly female person had solved the issue for them!

Except they make the women's mixed sex , so any vile aggressive male wanting to beat any TW up would just follow them in. So what problem is being solved exactly?

And here is all the proof that you need that TAs aren't demanding these changes for their safety, they're demanding them to gain access to women and girls. If they wanted safety, they'd join Miranda and Fionne's campaign for single-occupant third spaces.

Homerton has Women and Gender Neutral toilets.

That makes far more sense, just from the POV of numbers.

I live in the Netherlands and went out to a brewery/bar near utrecht. 2 loos - one mixed, one ladies. If you’re going to do it, that’s the way - though completely pointless because of course everyone just divided into the 2 sexes anyway.

To be fair, Kings has always been a special brand of batshit wokery.

Homerton has Women and Gender Neutral toilets.

Yep. My alma mater, I was there for an event in Nov and noticed and was pretty unimpressed. Spoke to a few others who were equally unimpressed, but one did point out how the college can be a bit competitively woke.

Also the CUSU position on gender ideology is pretty clear ("how to spot terf ideology" being one of their handouts) as several of us wrote to the CUSU women's officer who basically just ignored and shouted down anything that dared challenge their position.

The Provost is a decent chap - might help. Don't know.

When DH was at university it was known as the People's Republic of Kings for its student politics.

Seems nothing has changed.

”Every one of us who experiences this should complain, there and then if possible.”

I haven’t come across it yet but I certainly will if/when I do.

Every one of us who experiences this should complain, there and then if possible. I haven't come across any but live in a small rural town.

” I was in NYC earlier this year and saw the exact same thing in the toilets of a large department store. One ‘mens’ and one ‘gender neutral’ toilet. I mean WTAF. We should all be getting very angry about this. It’s outrageous.”

I genuinely don’t know how anyone claiming to be woke could justify such unfair and unequal treatment, I really don’t.

I was in NYC earlier this year and saw the exact same thing in the toilets of a large department store. One ‘mens’ and one ‘gender neutral’ toilet. I mean WTAF. We should all be getting very angry about this. It’s outrageous.

11Dolorabelle said..........

"I belong to a feminist academic group on FB where any whisper that you don’t believe TWAW gets you excommunicated. I hang in there as I have lots of experience and I can help with advice. But I just had to scroll on by their discussion of Ms Forstatter’s ruling. I once mildly commented that T*rf was a lazy slur and got several responses along the lines of no it’s an accurate description. And these are academics who preach kindness and sisterhood. hmm"

Can I ask you, as a feminist academic with experience both sides of the fence, what is your estimation of the percentage of all feminists that have drunk the cool aid on this.
I have yet to see a feminist group on any university that is remotely gender critical. They seem very much he opposite.

Except they make the women's mixed sex , so any vile aggressive male wanting to beat any TW up would just follow them in. So what problem is being solved exactly?

”Same at the playhouse theatre, first door had a man and woman on, second door just a man.”

I would seriously have complained. I can understand the logic of unisex toilets, although I don’t like them. But on what on earth planet does any public building think it’s not unlawful discrimination to give their own toilets to men but not to women.

Used to be women had to put pressure on to get it acknowledged that they need more toilets than men. Now apparently we have to put pressure on to get any toilets at all. Positively Victorian.

Same at the playhouse theatre, first door had a man and woman on, second door just a man.
So men getting down the stairs faster than women at the interval filled the cubicles in the unisex toilets, until they were queued out the door when they started using the men's. So women had an even longer wait than usual and had to deal with piss everywhere.

There were a lot of annoyed women coming out as I waited for a friend.

This segregation of men only makes me think they have kept the male only loos as these are traditionally & to this day very important place for gay men to meet & have casual sex

Yup. Also apparently the poor trans get beaten up by all these vile aggressive males, hence needing us to budge up and let them in....because no woman would ever dare stand up to a TW using their toilet so they know they're perfectly "safe" in there.

This discriminates against women and is a breach of The Equality Act.

I belong to a feminist academic group on FB where any whisper that you don’t believe TWAW gets you excommunicated. I hang in there as I have lots of experience and I can help with advice. But I just had to scroll on by their discussion of Ms Forstatter’s ruling. I once mildly commented that T*rf was a lazy slur and got several responses along the lines of no it’s an accurate description. And these are academics who preach kindness and sisterhood.

”This is the current woke madness.”

Utterly depressing that direct and obvious sex discrimination is seen as the woke, best practice, forward-thinking place to be. It’s like a hundred years of women’s liberation is being undone and this is seen as a good thing. Including by many women!

I was on a thread on social media elsewhere the other day, not on Twitter, in a Facebook group normally full of sensible, intelligent, rational and inclusive people, where Maya Forstater was being described as “deluded”. I queried the description and was told that she was deluded for believing that changing biological sex was not possible. There is not an emoticon available to demonstrate my WTAF face upon reading that.

This segregation of men only makes me think they have kept the male only loos as these are traditionally & to this day very important place for gay men to meet & have casual sex.