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Guardian journalist: Don't debate drag

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RoyalCorgi · 23/12/2019 13:09

Guardian journalists, eh? They never tire of telling women to shut up:

twitter.com/ChrisPJGodfrey/status/1209040941648138240

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RoyalCorgi · 23/12/2019 15:47

How utterly pathetic that a commissioning editor on a national newspaper should protect his tweets so that people can't see them, just because some people disagreed with him.

Glad a PP got a screenshot.

Isn't it amazing, though? Telling women they can't have an opinion about something that is directly about them. Where's the self-knowledge? Why don't they see what a bad look that is?

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Floisme · 23/12/2019 15:27

Irrespective of what anyone thinks about drag, there is something rather comical about opinion writers who don't like other people having opinions.

ArranUpsideDown · 23/12/2019 15:21

I'm not going to pretend that I understood this but I know the issue came up September/October and a number of people applauded this thread that argues (?) that blackface and womanface are not comparable.

twitter.com/sapphic_kitty/status/1175486857016201217?s=20

It's not straightforward to navigate the above thread as you seem to have to need to select particular tweets to see the offshoot womanface discussion. (I'm recovering from some surgery so my concentration etc. are quite poor.)

53rdWay · 23/12/2019 15:18

"It's not a debate" baffles me. Even if you think drag is ultimately wonderful and lovely for men and women alike, surely you can see why some women might dislike it, whether or not you agree with them?

OvaHere · 23/12/2019 15:14

It won't be women who will take down drag, men don't listen to us. It will be the trans lobby (who have their own reasons for disliking it and also dislike 'cis' gay white men).

At which point all these woke bro's will reverse ferret because 'inclusion' and agree that it is indeed a very bad thing.

I await the eventual LOJ think piece on it.

CodenameVillanelle · 23/12/2019 15:13

'Cis people' presumably includes the gay men who do drag in the first place Confused
These people are so inconsistent

TheGoldenNotebook · 23/12/2019 15:09

I'm using the word cis in reply to above poster not because I think it has any actual meaning.

EveryKingdomOfRain · 23/12/2019 15:08

I was thinking about this on the train- is any subject genuinely not up for debate? I came up with-

"The Nazi concentration camps didn't exist"
Even there I would not seek to silence people questioning the number of victims- it's a pointless and offensive debating point but knock yourself out if you want.

TheGoldenNotebook · 23/12/2019 15:08

Straight cis women are not allowed to have an opinion on an aspect of the oppression of women. But any old dolt with a beard can.

EveryKingdomOfRain · 23/12/2019 15:05

Re straight cis people not being entitled to have an opinion on anything queer are my 2 very conservative gay friends entitled to have an opinion?

One in particular is very Douglas Murray style and really dislikes queerness, camp etc.

kalinkafoxtrot45 · 23/12/2019 14:59

It’s a cheap laugh at women’s expense, which has had its time. Shocking (but not surprising) that a journalist would seek to prevent debate. Another beardy wokebro - we’ve come to expect it.

EveryKingdomOfRain · 23/12/2019 14:59

It's slightly ironic but I am fairly indifferent to drag. My husband on the other hand thinks it's "woman face" and offensive to women.

boatyardblues · 23/12/2019 14:59

That second tweet on your post JadeFinch!

CodenameVillanelle · 23/12/2019 14:55

I don't like drag and I agree with the criticisms that it is a sexist parody of femininity and femaleness but I've read lots of critique from black feminists of the comparison with blackface. I don't think it's accurate or helpful.

jadefinch · 23/12/2019 14:53

this is what he posted and an example of a typical reply

Guardian journalist: Don't debate drag
Guardian journalist: Don't debate drag
CrissmussMockers · 23/12/2019 14:32

I'd boycott the Guardian if I hadn't stopped buying it thirty years ago.

WomanBornNotWorn · 23/12/2019 14:29

Women:

Put up
Shove up
Shut up

FFSFFSFFS · 23/12/2019 14:19

Uhoh. Those pesky women have dared to disagree with him. So he's shut up shop.

Fab to see the Guardian continuing to do its best for free speech and women's rights.

endofthelinefinally · 23/12/2019 14:18

Sharron Davies is getting a telling off from Lorraine Kelly for having an opinion on this.
Lorraine Kelly thinks dressing up in drag saves lives and is a lot of fun...

IsadoraQuagmire · 23/12/2019 14:13

So he blocked those of us who called him out, then he blocked the rest of Twitter! Obviously shocked and confused to discover that nobody agrees with him. What a loser! Grin

PotholePalace · 23/12/2019 14:08

Yes, whatever you do, don't write about what your readers want.

EveryKingdomOfRain · 23/12/2019 14:08

Sorry here is the image.

Guardian journalist: Don't debate drag
EveryKingdomOfRain · 23/12/2019 14:07

Oh ha, ha, bloody ha, ha.

I have a twitter account only to see what certain people I find interesting. I've never, ever tweeted.

I was reading his Twitter feed and this popped up.

Oh the irony. From a journalist and the po- faced Guardian.

Guardian journalist: Don't debate drag
IsadoraQuagmire · 23/12/2019 14:01

Hahaha he just blocked me for insulting him Grin Grin Grin

IsadoraQuagmire · 23/12/2019 13:50

You could have predicted that he would look exactly as he looks - bearded woke bro wanker

That's their uniform...