Jolyon Maugham and Maya - time for the Bar Council to step up.

Yeah am not sure which journal it’s was maybe joani welsh.

But am not sure

Not long ago JM gave money to a GC crowdfunder (then took it back after criticism). At the time I messaged with him and he was reasonable and able to see different viewpoints. I am puzzled as to how he has gone from being that person, to this accusatory misogynist insulting people on twitter without a shade of irony or self-awareness. What happened? I thought he was a decent guy.

(and even then he'd have to commit some type of professional negligence for the Bar Council to be interested)

Yes - isn't there some very unfortunate/odd case around this point that tangentially involves Sarah Phillimore? (Found it.)

Barbara Hewson, a human rights lawyer, was suspended for two years by a tribunal which found she had used “obscene or seriously offensive” languages in rants against a fellow barrister.

A spokesman for the Bar Standards Board said that the decision “demonstrates the serious consequences that can arise from such offensive and abusive behaviour online”.
...
Sarah Phillimore, questioned why no one had stepped in as Ms Hewson ranted online, saying that it is the “awful realisation about my profession that is the most painful and frightening thing” of the three year saga.

Ms Phillimore...said that at the time Ms Hewson’s judgement was “seriously impaired” and yet she was allowed “free reign” to abuse others online.

The “apathy and cowardice of my profession” was partly to blame as well as those who “should know better” giving Ms Hewson support, it was said.

“All of you who stood by silently or worse, encouraged and supported her are complicit,” Ms Phillimore wrote on social media. “Had you said something, done something - anything! - earlier, would we now be contemplating the tragic wreckage of a once impressive career? I don’t know.”

[[]www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/21/barrister-suspended-foul-mouthed-rant-fellow-lawyer/]

tbh, didn't a Times' journalist win a retraction from somebody who made the suicide accusation in re: her articles?

If barristers accuse someone of causing suicides without foundation, isn't that bringing the profession into dispute?

Jo Maugham's attitude to trans issues is thoroughly depressing, but I don't see what the Bar Council's role would be here? Like all barristers JM is self-employed and I'm not aware of him taking on work in relation to trans matters (and even then he'd have to commit some type of professional negligence for the Bar Council to be interested). He's just a twat on Twitter.

JM has been behaving like a total shit for quite a while now. His hounding of female journalists when he doesn't like their reporting is awful.

I think he’s just not all that bright. He’s clever enough to be a lawyer and self publicist enough to have got to the top of the pile. That’s it.

I’m frequently impressed by the calibre of argumentation on this board - from women who have put together these thoughts and approaches in their spare time and not as a job they’ve been trained and paid to do. He is outclassed in logic, coherence and ability to see both the detail and the big picture by many on here.

I really worry about everything he has said about Brexit if he can't understand why it's sometime necessary to accurately observe sex.

RoyalCorgi very good point. People like Jolyon Maugham and Adam Wagner have zero compassion for the woman who actually lost her job, and all the compassion for some unnamed people with a very fragile sense of self, so fragile that argument by a stranger on the internet about a proposed change in the law can apparently spell the end for them. I have a bit of compassion for the last group, but given that they are able to force Maya out of her job, it's pretty obvious which side is actually marginalised and having their rights jumped on.

I don't know enough to comment on whether this is a breach of ethics, but this statement:

"Deliberate misgendering of transmen and women will contribute to those deaths and self-harm. that is a very real wrong done by those who adopt extreme positions, including Maya."

is just astonishing. Can he really believe that?

And if he does really, genuinely believe that misgendering causes people to kill themselves, what does he think might be the impact on a woman of being called a witch, or a cunt, or having violent threats of murder and sexual assault made against her? Or are women as a class assumed to be so mentally robust that it doesn't affect them?

Yeah Jolyon changed his tune.

He has said that the issue concerns someone close to him. We've speculated before about Clair Quentin, who is a friend of his. But it could be that a family member has recently transitioned & went really TRA, and the emotional pressure has now got to him.

I don't think that Maya consulted him professionally. Sounds like she just asked him as a friend/ acquaintance. I don't see how Maya can do anything about it - a judge has just ruled that Maya's views are not worthy of respect.

She may not have been a client so I'm not sure if this would count as a massive breach of ethics. iirc ad hoc, unpaid advice without a contract or terms of engagement, isn't always treated the same as advice given to a client and isn't covered by the same privilege/restrictions.

Unless you were meaning he seems to be threatening/encouraging suicide, publicly naming someone as instigating it and that is ethically dubious?

Considering how vocal JM has been in his support of the TRAs, I'm surprised Maya asked for his advice or that he gave it.