Liverpool Women's hospital no longer has female toilets

Raindrops17

Stop the world, I want to get off!

This is just absurd. It won't be long before the name of the hospital is questioned given men can have periods and babies too.

I just can't understand someone making a decision to introduce gender neutral toilets by changing all the women's and leaving all the men's. What thought process has gone into that?

Anyway, below is the response from the LWH associate director for safeguarding.

I’m due to give birth here in a few weeks and can’t believe what I’m reading. I have also been a victim of sexual assault and would never use a gender neutral toilet. Why would they do this?

Women don't seem to have jurisdiction anywhere.

I just don’t get this. There aren’t any male patients. I get that there are male staff and visitors. But it’s a women’s hospital. Women don’t have jurisdiction in their own hospital then?!

So in an a women’s hospital they are catering for the men

Awesome work Liverpool women’s hospital.

You know where women stand

Like last place

Doing the job Liverpool women’s hospital in case them uppity women might think they put women first

Fuck that you just women let’s put you last

I'm disgusted by this. Every time I've been in LWH I have been vulnerable and in need of safe single sex facilities. I don't know who has influenced them to do this but it stinks. Will be emailing pals tomorrow.

Sorry Will cross post - I'm catching up.

Would anyone be able to gather a crowd together for a protest in the new year?

It's outrageous. We can't let it stand.

Stolen from their FB page

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I think everyone should contact them. If we all do it we cannot be ignored. We need swift, decisive resistance to this insanity.

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So thinking about the description from El2El

I think using the word "patients" is quite appropriate on wards in a women's hospital where presumably all the patients are women. These are toilets reserved for patients, (who one would expect to be women) and not for the use of visitors and clearly labelled as such.

Apparently visitor toilets at the entrance have recently been designated gender neutral or whatever the sign that is half woman half man is meant to mean.

That leaves toilets in the outpatient areas and staff provision.

It sounds as if someone woke decided to change the labels on the women's toilets for visitors and possibly for outpatients.

It would be interesting to know if staff changing and toilet provision has been similarly relabelled and what they think about it given that the majority of the staff are female.

I just read this on Reddit and came here to find a link (I knew I would!)

I had all three of my children at the Women’s. From memory, the toilets are all single occupancy and open directly onto the corridors.

Not that is makes any difference of course, how grotesque that a hospital dedicated to women’s healthcare has prioritised the well-being and comfort of the visiting males.

I remember sitting waiting for my first scan, bladder full of wee (as requested). I also remember having to lie down on the floor when I went to the toilet as I almost passed out. I couldn’t get up to open the door and just had to lay there until I felt well enough to get up.

This has actually brought me to tears. I am probably unlikely to go back, no more babies at least, but I am devastated they’ve bowed to ridiculous pressure.

I assume none of these places are required to read the history around public toilets for women?

FannyCann...from previous experience PALs at LWH are very good and proactive.

Oh no no no no NO! This must not happen. Bespelled by the self-congratulatory idiocy of their dangerous wokery they forget who the hospital belongs to.

I think its stupid as wouldn't a transman just want to use a mans toilet? However, as long as no actual men with penis's would be using the facilities there is no risk to women just silly virtue signalling, like calling Christmas the Winter Festival to appease people who didn't ask for it and didnt want it in the first place.

So why the need for 'gender neutral' toilets then

Political correctness, and lobbying......

Excellent @pizzicato I hope her appointment goes well.
Staff maybe alert for trouble in relation to this or have been warned to be circumspect.

If twitter is anything to go by I think the person who deals with the PALS email is in for a shock tomorrow morning.

Lots of likes and retweets for Liverpool Resisters:

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Oh good god when will it end..
I think this toilet business all started with that stupid show Ally Mc Beale (forgive spelling)
That was all Gender neutral toilets and that was years and years ago.
I feel so sorry for the women in Liverpool Women’s Hospital

Anyone affected by this change and wanting a hole filled to legally-challenge it, shout up.

Bloody ridiculous that women who are hours post-partum and accordingly vulnerable have to share loos with males.

It may be indirect sex discrimination. That is, if their toilet policy means that some women could and do experience particular disadvantage compered to men (say because they have to wait longer, walk further or experience embarrassment etc) then onus on NHS Trust to show it was a proportionate response to legitimate aim. It might be direct discrimination as well.

Ffs

I have been in a small amount of gender neutral toilets and they have all had piss puddles on the floor. Why is it womens lavatories that have had to become gender neutral!??

Which does beg the question why they have so deliberately described the wards as single sex and the facilities as single gender in their blurb.

Fraggling I'm sorry. I was genuinely trying to be reassuring but my post really wasn't clear

I had a quick look at their website and it seems to be only for obs/gynae issues, so TWs just won't be patients there. So, however in-patients identify or whatever signs they put on the doors, in-patients will have XX chromosomes and ward facilities will be single-sex.