Times article about Debbie Hayton 'Trans women are men' T-shirt

I just cant get over that quote from "head of the laboratory of stem cell biology and developmental genetics at the Francis Crick Institute".

It's mind boggling.

Someone should ask the Francis Crick Institute to clarigy their position and whether the work they do is based on science or science fiction.

Exactly, Hayton is free to describe himself anyway he pleases. This is the freedom of speech issue illustration at its finest.

A transman who wore a "Transmen are women" t shirt would probably been arrested and never have made it home mind you. The difference in how men and women are treated doesn't change regardless of gender.

And he's saying it of himself I assume? (in which case he/him is appropriate MNHQ)

She occupies one of two positions reserved for trans people yet her views are clearly not representative of the community she is supposed to be fighting for.

Is this known or is this an impression gained via the amplification of social media?

Thanks nauticant

She occupies one of two positions reserved for trans people yet her views are clearly not representative of the community she is supposed to be fighting for.

For a second, I thought you were talking about Lily Madigan.

Who has a space reserved for women and clearly doesn’t represent the community they are supposed to (just in case I wasn’t clear)

It's in this thread AlunWynsKnee:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3774946-Sarah-Baxter-in-The-Times

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/im-with-jk-rowling-but-lets-be-kinder-about-gender-hddmmsmk6?shareToken=a91974a238bfb7356c5fe29cea1beae3

They're just a type of migratory goose, with an odd legend attached. You could view it as medieval pseudoscience - someone claimed to have seen geese emerging from a particular type of barnacle. The myth was dispelled by proper observation

Just migratory geese? That seems to downgrade them.... I like the mythical emergence from a barnacle... it has a certain romantic quality.....

But really I can’t speak for them, as I’m neither duck or crustacean, so I’ve no business talking.

Get back in your lane.

If they were sensible, they’d only ID as fish like on days beginning with T and thus stave off becoming snacks

I'm surprised Debbie hasn't been kicked off the committee before. She occupies one of two positions reserved for trans people yet her views are clearly not representative of the community she is supposed to be fighting for.

Does anyone have a share token for the article promoted below the one about Debbie? The one about being kind?

nauticant
Neither geese, nor turkey nor barnacles...., but I love how much eclectic knowledge there is in this establishment.....

What are barnacle geese?

Non-binary geese who ID as crustaceans on Friday. If they were sensible, they’d only ID as fish like on days beginning with T and thus stave off becoming snacks.

But really I can’t speak for them, as I’m neither duck or crustacean, so I’ve no business talking.

I’ll cancel mysel.....

What are barnacle geese?

They're just a type of migratory goose, with an odd legend attached. You could view it as medieval pseudoscience - someone claimed to have seen geese emerging from a particular type of barnacle. The myth was dispelled by proper observation.

If you look into the edibility of goose barnacles vs barnacle geese you are going to get very confused.

But I still think either would make a nice change from turkey.

What are barnacle geese? And how could anyone get pleasure from eating such a creature?

OK - if Debbie's t-shirt is hate-speech because it denies non-binaries, then surely theirs are as well - not a word about NBs.

The three main responses to JKR's intervention have been:

1. cheering and relief;
2. rage and violent threats; and
3. utter and craven cowardice.

The one I wouldn't have predicted is 3). Well done Professor Robin Lovell-Badge for demeaning yourself.

This. But I cba with the bolding on the bullets...

They also criticised an article for the Morning Star in which Hayton wrote: “Trans women are biologically male — in fact being male is the sole qualifying criterion to be a trans woman.”

Bingo!

Debbie is awesome, as is Mir and all the rest of the men who use their male privilege to speak up for us- it’s the bare minimum any man should do.

While this isn’t central to how trans ideology effects women’s rights I do think it’s equally important that the public discussion also takes into account how trans ideology appropriates the experience of transwomen like Debbie and Mir and those living quietly getting on with their lives while not imposing on women. They must have lived through times where real transphobia was a possible threat to them while struggling with gender identity disorder and along come men who feel like a woman on the weekends to trample over their experience and call them truscum.

The article seems to be misrepresenting what Maya said again though, which seems to be the same manipulation and gas lighting on here and other sm about her case. I hope she addresses this with the times because from reading the judgement no where did I see her express what this article claims.

Barnacle Geese were said to be fish by the RC Church, so people could eat them on Fridays.

Cocoa/hot chocolate doesn't count as a hot drink for Mormons.

a man who transitioned could be said to change sex

The three main responses to JKR's intervention have been:

1. cheering and relief;
2. rage and violent threats; and
3. utter and craven cowardice.

The one I wouldn't have predicted is 3). Well done Professor Robin Lovell-Badge for demeaning yourself.

A man who wears a nappy, “could be said to be a baby”. A dog wearing a shark suit, “could be said to be an ocean predator”. A squirrel falling out of a tree, “could be said to be flying”. Except, not, you know, in the real world of facts.

I know it's a serious subject but this gave me a much needed laugh this morning!

crissmuss, really? Wow. The lengths that people will go to deny reality for their own pleasure.