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Harry Styles is gender critical

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SylvanianFrenemies · 21/12/2019 08:24

Nice to see someone speaking out against gender pigeonholing without the need for navelgazing woke relabelling: www.distractify.com/p/why-does-harry-style-paint-his-nails?utm_source=dfy&utm_medium=fb&fbclid=IwAR3kxLXpQ0xNCYGQOJeJzSur5org15OKfeBW07o48iN31TtyT28eJRz-hOw

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StrangeLookingParasite · 23/12/2019 23:18

Frankly, I think a renaissance in 'Mind your own fucking business' is well overdue.

I very much agree with this.

BatShite · 23/12/2019 15:20

Hmm, I don't get GC from him..massively GNC and couldn't give a fuck though! Which is a big plus for me tbh..once more people are just..doing/wearing whatever they want to without being judged, maybe...maybe this trans thing will disappear. Not being transsexual/sex dysphoria of course, but this whole 'I like to wear dresses on a friday so that day I am a woman' nonsense.

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FloralBunting · 22/12/2019 17:45

That's the thing ACat, though, it has no completely agreed definition.
I mean, obviously, we're in agreement that the way you choose to present yourself to the world is not your sex, which is what feminists have been saying for a long time.

An indefinable inner sense of identity is clearly important to some people, and those who experience a sense of detachment and distress about their bodies obviously feel that certain things help them feel better.

But some people are saying a man wearing things gendered 'feminine' in our culture is evidence of Transness, and even though the distinction is made between gender identity and gender presentation, the presentation is obvious significant to many people, and none of it has any bearing on understanding a nebulous and somehow separate gender identity that we are told has nothing to do with gender expression...

ACatWhoBinds · 22/12/2019 17:10

The thing is, no one is saying a man wearing a skirt/nail polish/make up/dresses is a trans woman, the same as women wearing trousers and not being trans. That’s not what makes you trans or enby, people should be able to wear what the fuck they want. And yeah, sexuality should be nobody‘s business. I remember my stepdad asking me if I was gay and I couldn’t believe it, the audacity of some people is insane.
But my main point is, it’s not about dressing up, it’s about dysphoria and it’s about the self. Clothes are just bits of material to cover us and keep us warm, be it a potato sack or a YSL dress, none of it should be gendered

Time40 · 22/12/2019 02:59

Harry's great, and I love the way he refuses to discuss his sexuality - it really is none of anyone else's business.

And what's more, he's got good taste, and I think he usually looks wonderful.

SurpriseSparDay · 22/12/2019 02:44

I miss the late 60s/early 70s ...

I had rather assumed that any socio-political, would be GC statement made by Harry Styles right now was entirely tied up with his Gucci modelling contract ... Mutual benefit innit.

GrimDamnFanjo · 22/12/2019 02:18

I miss the eighties

FloralBunting · 22/12/2019 00:26

I'm quite sure that if Harry Styles knows that his taste in clothes, hobbies or his personality don't have anything to do with defining his sex and therefore whether he should access a women only space, he's 'gender critical' as a feminist here would understand it.

He's not 'GC' in the way the denizens of the bonkers Twittersphere think means 'hates transpeople and plots their genocide', but then neither are we, so there we go.

EveryKingdomOfRain · 21/12/2019 23:33

I doubt very much that Harry Styles is gender critical as that term is used on here.

Yes it's Pink News and has its own agenda but even so.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/10/17/harry-styles-waves-transgender-flag-during-washington-dc-concert/

www.google.com/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/11/05/harry-styles-fine-line-transgender-flag-trans-rights-new-album/amp/

littlbrowndog · 21/12/2019 23:25

🤣

AnyFucker · 21/12/2019 23:23

Arf

justcly · 21/12/2019 22:30

From that interview he doesn't sound gender critical to me. Gemma Collins is though. She's always going on about being G.C. Wink

FloralBunting · 21/12/2019 22:26

Beamur, possibly yes. But actually the gay men in question aren't in the least bit fey which I think means feminine in manner. I suspect that might be one of the reasons they are a bit cross - ime, there are some gay men who get a bit ansty around campness and flamboyance because they are anxious to be 'straight passing'. And still other flamboyant gay men get cross with 'straight-acting' gay men because they feel like it's all part and parcel of denigrating homosexuality.

Basically, gendered behaviour is a tremendously complicated world, and always bloody has been, and these discussion have been going on in different spheres forever, way before the Trans movement thinks it invented it all.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 21/12/2019 22:18

I guess the fact he's chosen to not say certain things that certain groups are desperate for him to say is, in the current climate, a beacon of hope.

Beamur · 21/12/2019 22:09

I thought you meant fey which would have been quite apposite

FloralBunting · 21/12/2019 21:08

Well, my feelings about the word queer are well known, I would be quite happy if it is never used about anything to do with homosexuality again, except in documentaries about what a fucking awful term of abuse it is.

7Days · 21/12/2019 20:58

Good Floral. Thought was a new word I was obliged to learn

Bringing back flashbacks to secondary school French and the endless vocab tests.

FloralBunting · 21/12/2019 20:54

Obviously Fay is my autocorrect's bizarre rendering of gay.

FloralBunting · 21/12/2019 20:53

Queer baiting is a term that seems to be associated with celebrities latching on to parts of gay culture or hinting they're L, G or B for fashion reasons.

In some cases the critique is a sort of 'cultural appropriation' idea, but in the case of Harry Styles, I've seen a number of Fay men rather disgruntled at a handsome, flamboyant man being quite comfortable in not announcing to everyone what his orientation is, and they seem to think he owes them an announcement so they can claim and define him as fellow gay man or ally.

Frankly, I think a renaissance in 'Mind your own fucking business' is well overdue.

NonnyMouse1337 · 21/12/2019 20:06

What's queer baiting?

AnyFucker · 21/12/2019 19:42

His latest music is quite good

The rest of it I couldn't give a fuck about

CatalogueUniverse · 21/12/2019 19:40

Eddie Izzard previously identified as an executive transvestite. His words. Harry Styles seems to be doing the opposite but time will tell. He has lost a lot of the muscle he had at one point and looks much more effete than he used to.

He’s openly supported trans rights (and a number of other causes, gun control, black lives matter) and has a massive LGBT following. The most interesting thing he’s done recently was while refusing to define his sexuality he bluntly said replied to but are you queer baiting with his style and imagery with no. They didn’t ask his gender though. So who knows. I’d love a dress and behave how you want under 30 pop star to stick with I’m a bloke, my gender is male, isn’t my frock nice.

I very much doubt he would be gender critical.

EwwSprouts · 21/12/2019 17:46

Great that he feels confident to present himself in whatever catches his eye. Be fabulous if he's confident enough to say I'm still a biological man & not label himself NB which is just another label under the umbrella.