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JK Rowling - Thread 2

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MoleSmokes · 21/12/2019 02:03

Thread 1 started by @MsMcWibble here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3772685-JK-Rowling
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twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033

Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill
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To start off thread 2 - everyone saying the time was right for this to hit the news stands right after the Election was right!

Maya Forstater's Employment Tribunal case is, by virtue of JK Rowling's support, more popular in The Spectator than Boris Johnson by Boris Johnson, The Tories and The Labour Party!

MOST POPULAR in The Spectator

1. In just a few words, JK Rowling has changed the transgender debate (James Kirkup)

  1. Boris Johnson: Perhaps my campaign was ‘clunking’. But sometimes, clunking is what you need (Boris Johnson)
  2. We’ve just had the best decade in human history. Seriously (Matt Ridley)
  3. Keir Starmer looks and sounds middle class precisely because he’s working class (Isabel Hardman)
  4. Let’s make David Lammy Labour’s next leader (Rod Liddle)
  5. A new leader won’t stop the far left’s domination of Labour (Nick Cohen)

www.spectator.co.uk/

JK Rowling - Thread 2
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GirlDownUnder · 14/01/2020 23:35

Twitter will scream at you for a few days, and then they'll forget.

The screamers seem to have, the supporters are still liking a tweet posted last year / last decade ok ok it was last month, but the way twitter moves on, it was ‘forever’ ago.

Last count on this thread 10/01/20 202.5
Today 202,656 Grin

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 14/01/2020 23:32

Oh, they won't forget, the upset ones will hold a grudge forever, it's just that there aren't enough of them for it to matter.

YourOpinionIsNoted · 14/01/2020 23:25

I'm reading my illustrated Goblet of Fire. It's beautiful and amazing and magical and I love it and JK. Also, isn't it amazing how quickly the world has moved on? Take note, any other famous people who are thinking of speaking out. Twitter will scream at you for a few days, and then they'll forget.

TruthOnTrial · 12/01/2020 10:08

This thread should also be on my Im On list I've just realised, as there are current posts. Yes, thats odd indeed as I had assumed the list was current and got shorter because items dropped off it over time.

Thats not the rule though is it. I don't know what the rule is though as its not making sense.

Taking up the joe lycette topic I think hes had a change around, hes now talking bio realities, which is new from what I've seen of him previously.

Interesting in the case of Samira how even the legal team seem to think that the terms sex and gender are interchangeable.

Almost like they keep forgetting what they're supposed to use!

YourOpinionIsNoted · 12/01/2020 08:02

www.her.ie/entertainment/giant-harry-potter-flagship-store-opening-new-york-later-year-495796

JKR remaining spectacularly uncancelled!

XXJingledNerves · 11/01/2020 20:10

How is the twitter hinkiness being observed and recorded? I am a bit surprised at the blatantness of it all. Is there a record of the daily likes anywhere, a twitter expose in the making?

HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 11/01/2020 09:00

Just now this thread is 26th on the list of threads I'm on. Others higher up the list do not have more recent posts. To put it another way, I would've expected this thread to be in the top three. That has been my experience on these boards normally. V. strange?

MoleSmokes · 11/01/2020 02:34

HorseWithNoTimeForThis for some reason I only every see a very short-list of threads "I'm On".

I have assumed that there is some sort of time-limit and that it really means "Threads I have posted to within the last X days/weeks" type of thing.

My "Watching" page is always much longer, and includes the threads "I'm on" that are not on the "I'm on" page.

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nauticant · 10/01/2020 18:23

And the general public aren't happy with what they are being told.

I always post this quotation attributed to Orwell: "Some ideas are so stupid that only intellectuals believe them."

Yes, that is indeed a very interesting point Cuntysnark.

HorseWithNoTimeForThis · 10/01/2020 16:30

This thread always seems to me to be lower down the page than it should be.

Also on the threads that "I'm on" page it doesn't feature at all! Am I being paranoid or simply unobservant (that's never happened before...)

NonnyMouse1337 · 10/01/2020 16:00

Manderleyagain yes, so much has gone under the radar without any public debate or open scrutiny or election in terms of party manifestos or even a referendum.

The thin veneer of 'progressiveness' pushed by the TRA brigade is wearing off as people start getting a glimpse of what is going on. Political parties are going to have to answer some very uncomfortable questions. I think it's why there are efforts to keep it all under wraps rather than admit the establishment was captured by a very vocal and influential lobby.

Manderleyagain · 10/01/2020 14:57

Cuntysnark that is a very good point.

Manderleyagain · 10/01/2020 14:56

Nonnymouss what's so amazing is that these ideas which are now escaping into the real worlds,(which people can't quite believe when they hear it) have been used to change important policies in so many institutions, and very nearly changed the law.

NonnyMouse1337 · 10/01/2020 14:40

That's a very good sign. I had a carefully worded conversation with a colleague before the Christmas break. It's obvious the message is getting through and people who are in no way well versed in trans debates are perplexed and wondering where nonsense such as 'biological sex isn't real' or talking about biological sex constitutes some form of blasphemy is coming from.

Trans ideology is seeping from its echo chambers and coming in contact with reality... And the general public aren't happy with what they are being told.

Icantreachthepretzels · 10/01/2020 14:18

There's a Maya/ JK thread on a Buffy forum I post on. A couple of people who have swallowed the Kool aid to an unbearable degree but a heartening number of people can see reason. And it's by no means a feminist leaning forum.

WomanBornNotWorn · 10/01/2020 14:11

Big Primark on Tottenham Court road had a Harry Potter shop in the shop. Complex response bearing in mind their changing room policy - but I did grin seeing it was HEAVING with shoppers.

WomanBornNotWorn · 10/01/2020 14:07

202.5 likes today.

Cuntysnark · 10/01/2020 09:01

Reliking...

Cuntysnark · 10/01/2020 09:01

Having spent the week or so almost continuously fighting what must be a bot & reliving J K Rowling fair & measured tweet I can only assume twitter are editing content them surely that makes them a media company & not a platform & should be regulated as such? Apologies if this bleeding obvious or been said before but ffs!

zanahoria · 01/01/2020 12:51

I love JK Rowling, I know most people here do but it cannot be said enough

Needmoresleep · 01/01/2020 11:19

I dont know anything about this publication, though assume it is American.

Thank you JKR and Ricky for getting a debate going

www.city-journal.org/gervais-rowling-transgender?

flowery · 01/01/2020 10:09

”Doesn’t Joe Lycett like berating women for not cheerleading the gender crap ? His wiki refers to his pansexuality and I thought he’d told us at some point that knowing what a woman is is terfy. I’d be very happy to be wrong about that.”

I don’t know, don’t follow him on Twitter or anything, so I’m not sure. But in his programme the other day, he definitely made a point about the difference between sex and gender. He said “sex is xx/xy chromosomes”, it’s what you’re born with, not a lot you can do about it, gender is about society and culture”.

He did describe himself as pansexual but frankly I don’t care what people want to identify as, as long as they acknowledge that sex is a thing and you can’t change it.

HorsWithNoDoeuvres · 01/01/2020 09:42

"Demi-girl"

Give me a fucking break.

It'll be half man, half biscuit next...oh, hang on

Binterested · 01/01/2020 09:33

Doesn’t Joe Lycett like berating women for not cheerleading the gender crap ? His wiki refers to his pansexuality and I thought he’d told us at some point that knowing what a woman is is terfy. I’d be very happy to be wrong about that.

Miriel · 31/12/2019 23:27

Well, this is depressing. I used to be on the periphery of HP fandom, and I've just come across the updated web pages of someone I knew, liked, and used to write with, years ago.

JKR is called transphobic, there's talk of how 'genital preferences' are transphobic, how you don't need to have dysphoria to be trans, and how awful 'TERFs' and 'SWERFs' are.

She, like me, is an autistic woman. Except she's now calling herself a 'demigirl'. I'm guessing she's now in her late twenties or early thirties, so not any type of 'girl', really. But an adult human female. It's as if she didn't think it was possible to be GNC and still be a woman. It makes me feel really sad, because I know we had some of the same struggles in not feeling as if we fit into the world. We've just interpreted them very differently.