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JK Rowling - Thread 2

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MoleSmokes · 21/12/2019 02:03

Thread 1 started by @MsMcWibble here:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3772685-JK-Rowling
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twitter.com/jk_rowling/status/1207646162813100033

Dress however you please.
Call yourself whatever you like.
Sleep with any consenting adult who’ll have you.
Live your best life in peace and security.
But force women out of their jobs for stating that sex is real?
#IStandWithMaya #ThisIsNotADrill
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To start off thread 2 - everyone saying the time was right for this to hit the news stands right after the Election was right!

Maya Forstater's Employment Tribunal case is, by virtue of JK Rowling's support, more popular in The Spectator than Boris Johnson by Boris Johnson, The Tories and The Labour Party!

MOST POPULAR in The Spectator

1. In just a few words, JK Rowling has changed the transgender debate (James Kirkup)

  1. Boris Johnson: Perhaps my campaign was ‘clunking’. But sometimes, clunking is what you need (Boris Johnson)
  2. We’ve just had the best decade in human history. Seriously (Matt Ridley)
  3. Keir Starmer looks and sounds middle class precisely because he’s working class (Isabel Hardman)
  4. Let’s make David Lammy Labour’s next leader (Rod Liddle)
  5. A new leader won’t stop the far left’s domination of Labour (Nick Cohen)

www.spectator.co.uk/

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TiredofthisBS · 21/12/2019 10:25

This thread is hilarious

mobile.twitter.com/TitaniaMcGrath/status/1208015400128135168

TanquerayTickles · 21/12/2019 10:23

I see Jameela Fucking Jamil has piped up. How arrogant do you have to be to think you can lecture JK Rowling on how to 'do better'? The audacity of her.

I think it's amazing JK has spoken out, I don't think she'll delete this time, everyone has a line and it seems that Maya's case crossed hers.

BINtersectionalFeminism · 21/12/2019 10:22

EmmaGoldman Grin

The other thing that struck me about her tweet was that the narrative pushed by TW is how lesbians have to sleep with them, or people having to include trans people in their dating pool or they’re being transphobic. They never say the other party has a choice in the matter. JK suggests in a witty way that’s not how it works.

Whatdidisay · 21/12/2019 10:05

Just adding my support, the first tweet I have been brave enough to "like"
Feeling hopeful that as more speak out the whole topic and its supporters will be seen for what it really is!

EvenSupposing · 21/12/2019 09:58

I think the room of requirement might just implode under the weight of this one...

MilesJuppIsMyBitch · 21/12/2019 09:57

Just adding my (late) support. I rejoined Twitter to like the tweet (nothing to lose, so neither brave nor stunning).

This has had me breaking out in spontaneous goofy grins, and humming to myself.

I stand with Maya and JK 💪

HandsOffMyRights · 21/12/2019 09:54

NotTerf
It just gets better and better!

TimeLady · 21/12/2019 09:53

Interesting to see the change of tone in the BTL comments in the Spectator piece on this.

Six months ago, it was very much 'Bore off, James', or 'Serves the Feminazis right'. But, by and large, they're seeing the problem, particularly in relationship to free speech and wrongthink.

Moominfan · 21/12/2019 09:45

Do you think that most PR agencies are advising being quiet rather than getting involved? Or just that they don't care or know about it?

They definitely know! You'd have to have your head in the sand. I imagine it'll take a few more big stars to come out gender critical before they stick their head above the parapet

NotTerfNorCis · 21/12/2019 09:38

Only tenuously related, but #OwenJonesIsAWankerDay is trending on Twitter. GrinGrinGrin

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/12/2019 09:25

This is the gift that keeps giving...

twitter.com/jarvisdupont/status/1208166121863602177?s=21

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ScrimshawTheSecond · 21/12/2019 09:21

I do feel for Rowling. It can't be easy being so much in the public eye. If we had a hunger games whistle emoji I'd send you one, JK.

Something that strikes me about this is the UK/US difference. Seems to make a huge difference- different contexts histories and resonances I suppose.

DancelikeEmmaGoldman · 21/12/2019 09:10

I imagine Dame Irene Handmaiden must be of such comfort to the sobbing youngsters, who realise that when their Hogwarts letter arrives, they’ll have to beat the owl to death with a baseball bat.

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NeurotrashWarrior · 21/12/2019 09:06

This is a new image I've seen: bang on.

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fuckitywhy · 21/12/2019 09:05

Yeah I wonder if she's had any private messages of support (as well as attack).

God knows how to do links on this app, but this is interesting too:

www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-7815809/PLATELLS-PEOPLE-JK-Rowling-brave-Harry-Potter-fight-gender-trolls.html

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/12/2019 08:56

If they ban JKR (as they would with any other woman) then the world will know what raging misogynists they are.

Yes!

Murray and Greer must be doing a little jig (as I did when I first read the news) and saying, oh look, what a surprise! We tried to tell you so...

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 21/12/2019 08:46

That's a thought, Fuckity.
I had been feeling rather sad how few blue ticks have actually come out on JK's side, but the fact that relatively few as far as I can see have joined in the mobbing must be significant.

TirisfalPumpkin · 21/12/2019 08:46

Blackberryviolet - glad I'm out of the knitting community. It sounds absolutely insane in there right now. Got a bit of spare lopi so might chuck together an #istandwithmaya hat.

fuckitywhy · 21/12/2019 08:41

Speaking of Charlie Brooker and other celebs who regularly tweet, its interesting how many have stayed silent on a huge trending topic where they could have proven their Wokeness.

Do you think that most PR agencies are advising being quiet rather than getting involved? Or just that they don't care or know about it?

theflushedzebra · 21/12/2019 08:40

Checking in! I've been caught up in the Christmas rush now, and not had time to read all of the last thread - the reaction on twitter is as though she had called for mass killings. Honestly, a ridiculous over-reaction. Still not managed to ratio her though...

And horrible treatment of Amanda Abbington - who the hell is the "StatsBrittain" account? They're horribly aggressive. Amanda has gone private - and deleted her tweets, but she has kept her likes - which are of gc tweets Smile I stand with you, Amanda Thanks

These fans think they own JKR and Amanda, don't they? Whining on that they "grew up with HP" and "I loved you in Sherlock!" - honestly - she's an actress, you don't own her!

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/12/2019 08:38

Thanks god there's a thread two. Thanks!

After the this is not a drill post towards the end of the last one, I do wonder if Jk posts among us...?!

And to reiterate what Datun said on the last page, please find out what's going on in UK schools. Safe Schools UK are doing Stirling work, as a teacher I'm increasingly shocked at what I'm seeing around the country.

Wear what you want - but young girls particularly are under pressure to bind, damage their rib cages and posture and even get mastectomies.

I've just seen that Ricky has finally put right said it (sarcastically) which is great, but I can't but ponder on the fact that he could have done so earlier. JK is of course getting more flack. I suppose it's possible the flack is the tipping point.

HandsOffMyRights · 21/12/2019 08:30

Can you imagine the woke bods at Twitter desperately trying to square a circle?

Manipulating news feeds, removing likes, changing trending hashtags to fit their pro trans, anti woman narrative.

If they ban JKR (as they would with any other woman) then the world will know what raging misogynists they are.

Charlie Booker did a Black Mirror episode on social media set in Silicone Valley - he wasn't wrong about the control those males have.

I'm so proud that JK has not removed this tweet. We have seen others forced into capitulation. Like Maya, JK is a tower of strength. Thank you.

Butterymuffin · 21/12/2019 08:21

Checking in. Twitter highlighted a 'one person explains why Rowling is wrong' story yesterday. Very interesting wording.

fuckitywhy · 21/12/2019 08:16

In terms of the imaginary world and dormitories, I can imagine that a fair few gender-confused fans daydream about a potion that would literally transform them into the opposite sex AND retrospectively give them the right socialisation. The thing is, they can still fantasise about that, and whatever they like. It's a make-believe world.

The ONLY thing JK Rowling has defended in the real world in that tweet is freedom of speech and thought on this topic. She hasn't made transphobic comments, made death threats, or said anyone's excluded from Hogwarts.

You'd think she'd gone on a murderous rampage from their response.

BarbaraStrozzi · 21/12/2019 08:00

Just signing in.