JK Rowling - Thread 2

@FlamingoAndJohn maybe wait till you are having sex and announce half way through you now identify as a man? (Or any of 72+ genders you choose). See if he's as keen then.

What is very concerning is the religious nature of the belief in the non-binary umbrella among people, especially the young.
It is a simple faith based belief without the requirement of empirical proof.
It has a strong moral element to the belief, including that non-believers are immoral heretics, who need attacking, pitying and educating.
The public shaming and vilification of non-believers.
The climate of fear and silence amongst those who should be/best placed to challenge this. (scientists/academics/politicians etc..).

It's the bloody Spanish Inquisition.

Also, I have a biology degree and I'm constantly having sex "explained" to/at me by people on Facebook who have never expressed any interest in any other biology subject the entire time I've known them.

I remember reading the bit in HP were she said muggles can't go to Hogwarts. Outrageous and heartbreaking. Needed therapy for decades.

If only the Chinese knew choosing a sex was optional they wouldn't have had to kill all those baby girls would they?

It would also sort out the dilemma of should you find out the baby's sex at the scan. Meaningless now.

I’ve just had a hour long discussion with DH with him ‘explaining’ to me about how there are however many different genders etc.

I agreed that people should be free to live how they want, and I agreed that there are very girly women and ‘masculine’ women and vice versa and that this might be to do with their chromosomes or hormones rather than the presence of a penis or vagina.
He agreed that people with penises sometimes need to be separate from people with vaginas; that people who give birth and have periods are treated less favourably by society.
So I don’t know how he expected this to pan out. I got up half way through to put some washing on. He missed the irony.

Andrew Sullivan nails it:

One of the long-held principles of the gay-rights movement has been that it’s wrong to fire someone just because they’re gay. Now, one of the principles of the LGBTQ movement is that it’s fine to fire someone if they disagree in the slightest with every claim of gender ideology.

This shift from a “live and let live” to a “do what I say or else” movement is one reason I don’t identify with this activism any more.

He's a conservative commentator, but he's gay and thinks the current republican regime are extreme right-wing fanatics.

So many “biologists” crashing onto Twitter to say “Lo! Allow me to explain something about biological sex! It isn’t binary ACTUALLY, it’s VERY complicated...”

Which usually ends up with "DSDs exist, therefore people can change sex". They never explain exactly how people change sex or at what point a man actually becomes a woman.

find time to keep the street violence wing going......

What larks. I'd forgotten about the street violence wing.

Didn't see if this has already been mentioned but Andrew Sullivan's piece in NYMag's Intelligencer is a good read.

nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/12/andrew-sullivan-what-we-know-about-trump-going-into-2020.html

Resisting this authoritarianism of the left is as vital to our liberal democracy as resisting the authoritarianism of the right. Yes, I stand with Maya. And, no, this is not a drill. It’s a fight for freedom of thought and empirical reality.

I have dug out my HP socks and ordered some Hogwarts "merch" on amazon last night.

You are an informative and witty bunch and even find time to keep the street violence wing going......

Getting their conservative boyfriends and husbands to do the murdering for them was a real time-saver.

Well quite FlyingOink I'm looking forward to a lovely holiday to Saudi. There will be no need to cover up my manboobs will there?

If only the Chinese knew choosing a sex was optional they wouldn't have had to kill all those baby girls would they?

It's bad enough that men don't often recognise sex based oppression. It's sad that plenty of women don't either. The patriarchy is very efficient.

But we can opt out of sex-based oppression right?

Of course, just dye your hair blue and call yourself they/them

Sexual dimorphism results in sex based oppression.
But we can opt out of sex-based oppression right?

A relative had a severe hypospadias and has done time for assault. I don't think he'd consider himself to be anything other than collossaly male.

The lack of basic logic continues to be breathtaking. Our physical sexed bodies exist. There are differences. No two will be the same but the fact that we are here at all having this ludicrous debate is because of sexual dimorphism. Sexual dimorphism results in sex based oppression. To reduce harm, society uses clear unambiguous definitions and boundaries. Man. Woman. Not a feeling in your head. Your body.

I now know how many of my intelligent pro rational, pro science non-scientist mates who 100% think sex is on a spectrum.

Likewise. I'm very disappointed by this to the point of distress.

I was following the first thread ‘live’ but just got round to posting now. I‘m so delighted and excited that JK did this, what a step forward for womanhood & girls. I liked her post and got involved in twitter conversations about the case, and while not making it explicitly clear I’m GC, if you join the dots it’s implicit. In fact I discovered last year that I was on some sort of Turf* mass block list purely because I’d liked certain tweets.

A lot of the people I’m connected to professionally, some of whom are true friends, are very wokey. I’m not surprised to see them tweeting and RT-ing “TWAW” and anti-JK stuff. I disagree and respect their right to hold a different view - I can do both. What makes me sad is that I’m pretty sure I’ll be ostracised if I blatantly make my views clear.

*spelling it Turf is deliberate as I can’t remember if the acronym is allowed on MN. And also, ‘cos it really has turned into a turf war, innit.

One of the newspapers in my old country just wrote an article about this. It seemed more or less copied from one of the British pro TW newspapers, so I sent the newspaper a letter asking them to inform themselves better and suggested they check out the transwidow threads and google "Karen White" and "Jessica Yaniv".

Here’s another patronising biologist. DRINK!

twitter.com/lisamdanish/status/1207778613397008385?s=21

You know what @EndoplasmicReticulum, since JKR blew up Twitter, I haven’t come across a single person shouting about clownfish. I’m kind of disappointed.

but I just wanted to say a big "thank you" to the 11 women who keep this board going (ably supported by the Russian bots). You are an informative and witty bunch and even find time to keep the street violence wing going

And we're doing it on a shoestring too 'cos my cheque from th Heritage Foundation hasn't arrived yet (fuckers - you'd think Evangelical Christians would show more Christmas spirit).

People are falling over themselves to be "on the right side of history", which in itself isn't a bad thing. I guess there are worse motivators. Plus people have worked out that Science=good, and cannot be challenged (not so good).
It'll be the "MAPs" next. Explaining how consent is a spectrum, or how CSA images aren't real, or how deepfake porn using their own kids' faces is fine, or something.
Actual grown ups are now looking at a man and wondering what he could possibly be out of the infinite list of genders. And asking us how we could possible judge xim for xis sexual offending behaviour despite all that awful misgendering going on.

I guess if you're willing to suspend disbelief enough to accept the spectrum shite you've committed to making yourself look a prat anyway, so you might as well go full woke.

Clownfish!

I've just bought the first in the Strike series, wouldn't have done so otherwise (I usually use the library), so happy to be able to support JKR.

Also came across this 30 something (bio says “born in the 80s”) transwoman with a My Little Pony avatar saying that biology has no place in society outside of classrooms, doctors’ offices and “biology labs”.