Forced to share a room with a TW

Dear Crane

I'm on the fence on many of the gender critical points made on this forum.

You are just the right person to ask my question which seems to stump most people:

Please could you define the word "woman" without using the word "woman"?

Thanking you in anticipation.

Ah excellent, the ad hominem arguments have started.

The OP has said all along that they're not friends, they are just people who know each other

Er, the OP seems to spend a lot of time doing a shared hobby with this person and has twice shared a bedroom with them.

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I don’t mind “TW” itself as a term, I’ve seen trans/NB people use it - never heard anybody object to it. But somehow OP’s use of it was just... off

It was. It was so dismissive.Your alternative wording for the introduction is much better.

Imagine the TW. You think someone is your friend and it turns out they've seen fit to warn everyone about you?

The OP has said all along that they're not friends, they are just people who know each other.

Why shouldn't anyone warn someone else that a third party is not who they are implying they are?

Tricky.

How much is the room? Can you book one of your own?

Phone someone. Don't write anything down.

Carry on defending "TW" . It really isn't a good look.

Some people believe the world should be organised by soi disant gender identity, others by the materiality of sex. It is not the fault of the latter if censor restrictions are put on their ability to use language that accurately corresponds to their views. Complain to MNHQ, who are mandating these ludicrous linguistic contortions.

I don’t mind “TW” itself as a term, I’ve seen trans/NB people use it - never heard anybody object to it. But somehow OP’s use of it was just... off.

...which applies to a person with a particular characteristic?

There is BAME but it is generally used in the context of a group and is an established acronym rather than made up on MN. In any case there are many individuals within the BAME group who dislike it so I don't think it compares.

. 'Most dorms I've stayed in have been mixed. So in this specific circumstance I think a mountain is being made out of a molehill'

But the vast majority of sexual assaults in hostels take place in mixed sex dorms - it's why the YHA went down the (controversial on here) route of keeping its dorms separate but allowing identification by gender rather than avoiding the issue altogether by making everything mixed sex, as some people wanted them to do.
The fact that mixed sex dorms exist doesn't mean everyone is OK with using them.

Not your problem, you only control yourself. Your reaction is too involved.

I would have said, “a trans person (mtf) who I’ll called “Jo” here” and then call them Jo throughout.

I think it's dehumanising. I'm on the fence on many of the gender critical points made on this forum. Some seem valid, some just look like scare- mongering and a few are just plain nasty.

So far as "TW" is concerned is there another recognised acronym (aside from the achingly twee "D plus relative" one for familial relationships) which apply to a person with a particular characteristic?

I can't see any valid reason for reducing trans woman to TW.

It was weird how “TW” was used in the OP. Like someone having an issue with (random example) an Asian person and calling them “AP” throughout.

I wouldn’t be sharing a room with them (nor in fairness with any stranger) but I wouldn’t talk about them like that either.

Carry on defending "TW" . It really isn't a good look.
Ok, assuming I want to look good to you, what exactly is wrong with the abbreviation? And in what way is writing "the transwoman" better?

If you look at the statistics, the likelihood of a trans woman attacking you is no higher than that of a bio woman attacking you.

That's bollocks. A trans woman is biologically male. Her propensity to attack me is no different to that of other males.

Again, I'm really not trying to argue or rile anyone up. I've read a lot on this subject but I'm still none the wiser as to what the issue is for the minority of feminists who feel this way.

You're saying that you genuinely don't understand why I would have a problem with sharing sleeping/changing space with a biological male? Really? Honestly? I'm not sure that I believe you.

And, for what it's worth, it isn't a minority of feminists who feel this way: it's most of us.

Carry on defending "TW" . It really isn't a good look.

Oh yes of course, just a simple acronym to avoid the extreme and exhausting effort in typing another 8 letters.

As for your ODFOD- if that is addressed to me - have the courage to tell me to fuck off (except of course I expect any response will be a disingenuous "oh no- just talking generally")

And the classic, LTB

I like STBXH. If we're talking acronyms.

TW is an accurate description as are DH, DD etc

Mumsnet is full of acronyms - ODFOD is my personal favourite.

I really dislike the repeated use of "TW" to refer to the trans woman. The OP used it. It is flippant and dehumanising and the iteration by several posters is not a good look.