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Forced to share a room with a TW

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ILoveJKR · 20/12/2019 20:24

I am in a quandary and cannot talk about this in real life so I hope some of you can understand. Some background information for explanation.
I have a hobby which is mostly male orientated but which a lot of women indulge in too. The hobby has several different ways of enjoying it, think cycling where you can compete, or go for days out, or challenge yourself, visit museums or exhibitions devoted to this hobby, etc. I also belong to several clubs for this hobby.
I met a TW who happens to like the same part of the hobby as I enjoy, so we are often together indulging our shared interest. I care for TW in the same way as I would care for any human being, but I cannot really say the TW is a friend. We have no shared experiences, TW is a bit awkward and over-sensitive socially and looks and mostly behaves like a man but because we are together so often everyone assumes that we are besties.
I have twice shared accommodation with TW on hobby trips (my choice) but I always get changed in the loo and leave the room when TW gets changed. I'm accepting that people can live however they like but males should not be in female spaces.
So, onto my dilemma. One of my clubs has organised an overnight trip to a competition with 5 men and 3 women and TW. The man organising the trip does not know TW is a TW and the two other women do not know TW is a TW. Their only contact to date is via a watsapp group and TW uses a feminine name.
I know that it will be assumed that I invited TW on the trip. But the person joined my club and booked without ever discussing it with me. Free country and all that, I cannot control who joins what club and who books on what trip, but the organiser has put us 3 women and TW in one room (cheap hostel accommodation). And I know that there will be awkwardness for the other two women when they find out they are sharing with an XY person. And I know it will come back on me because everyone assumes TW is my 'friend'.
This is a real-life example for me that we cannot allow this fiction to continue. Men cannot become women and women should not be forced to share their spaces.

OP posts:
FlyingOink · 21/12/2019 18:55

It's very possible the "friendship" with you means a lot more to them than it does to you and they are thinking of you in a romantic context.
That's always a possibility.
I thought OP had resolved the issue by having a meeting beforehand so the other two women could see who they would be staying with?
I think that's a better outcome than ringing round. That way they can make up their own minds (good thing) without OP having to warn anyone (bad thing).

thenightsky · 21/12/2019 18:38

@Whatdayisit2 I said that earlier in the thread, given the OP actually stated that this person does not pass. It was pointed out to me that the two other women sharing had never met the transwoman. I assume this is going to be a big shock on the day for them. Fuck knows how I would react if I was one of those woman.

2BthatUnnoticed · 21/12/2019 18:28

This info is reasonable to share with others. What they choose to do with it is up to them.

I would have zero issues hanging out with Jo or chatting over dinner, in this highly contrived and suspiciously tuned scenario. I would not share a room with Jo, nor with anyone I didn’t know well who was [recorded male at birth].

And I couldn’t care less if randoms on Twitter call me a bigot for that. My boundaries are none of your business.

I love you all dearly, but some of you are like Corbynistas on this issue. You effectively say “fuck off and join the Tories!” To anyone even slightly away from your line.

Sometimes we get played by actual Tories (to stay in the analogy - no offence to Lass or other Tory voters).

Whatdayisit2 · 21/12/2019 18:24

I suspect they know already. TW rarely look as if they were born XX

TheCraneWife · 21/12/2019 16:56

But the person joined my club and booked without ever discussing it with me

Why should "Jo" have discussed it with the OP?

ginghamstarfish · 21/12/2019 16:51

If I were one of the other women I would want to know, then I could make my choice (which would most likely be not to accept the sharing). You say you have shared with this person before, but it's not fair to impose it on others who will have no choice by then.

NiceLegsShameAboutTheFace · 21/12/2019 16:48

I wouldn’t be at all bothered if I turned up and had to share a room with a TW.

Well, that's fine. But please respect that fact that the majority of women would.

Kantastic · 21/12/2019 16:24

OP Flowers and I hope you're OK on this trip! Most people who act like that don't escalate to actual stalking, but it is a huge red flag so trust your gut, and pull out of the trip if it feels unsafe.

Kantastic · 21/12/2019 16:21

CraneWife It was not an invention. It was right there in the post with the references to clinginess, and the following line.

But the person joined my club and booked without ever discussing it with me.

I have no desire to debate with you whether that counts as "following someone around." You are comprehensively awful, and I don't plan to discuss anything with you. I only posted on this thread because you are such an appalling person that I felt bad for OP.

ILoveJKR · 21/12/2019 16:19

@TheCraneWife, I did allude to that in my original post. The person specifically joined the club where I was already a member just to book this trip. I also said that I feared the transwoman would try to monopolise me as they have done so in the past.
@Kantastic has completely understood the situation.

OP posts:
TheCraneWife · 21/12/2019 16:07

OP was kind to a shy, awkward male person and they got clingy with her, to the point that they are following her around...

That is an invention. The OP has said nothing about this person "following her around".

TheCraneWife · 21/12/2019 16:04

This thread is weird

It certainly is.

ILoveJKR · 21/12/2019 15:48

@Kantastic I REALLY appreciate that post and support. You have hit the nail on the head.
I was not going to post again because I really thought I had stumbled into a parallel universe but thank you Kantastic and the others too numerous to mention who have really understood.
Now I am shutting the PC down and going off to enjoy Christmas with my family. Merry Christmas to you all.

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HorseWithNoBlueHair · 21/12/2019 15:36

This thread is weird.

Dead right, with knobs on.

(Note to potential post-reporters: it's just an expression so there's no need to sweat sulphuric acid.)

Tellingitlikeitisnt · 21/12/2019 15:34

Am also hiding this thread now as I find the fact females won’t understand and help represent the caution in this respect of other females really upsetting.

I will defend any bodies right to be who they are but in all different ways we do have to have an appreciation of how we affect others with all their history.

I don’t expect random children to converse with me. I know I’m no threat to them but I also know their parents will have told them not to talk to adults they don’t know in the street. I accept that by association of being an adult human they don’t know well I fall into the category that children are advised to avoid. So I don’t force it and don’t talk to random kids when they are on their own.

Kantastic · 21/12/2019 15:32

What the fuck is this thread? All these attacks on OP seem so unwarranted.

OP was kind to a shy, awkward male person and they got clingy with her, to the point that they are following her around... OP, I don't know if anyone has said this to you yet, but if you remove the fog of confusion created by this person's "gender identity", this is a tale as old as time - it's the archetype of the Nice Guy. It might be a good idea to distance yourself from this person in future. It's very possible the "friendship" with you means a lot more to them than it does to you and they are thinking of you in a romantic context.

I hate that OP is being shat on for being nice to the TW, for being considerate of other womens' feelings and boundaries, for drinking prosecco (oh no! she likes girl things!), for having boundaries around who sees her naked, for having a female body (seriously what the fuck was that comment "I wouldn't want to see you naked" supposed to mean? What kind of an asshole writes shit like that?), for being willing to share rooms with strangers, and for wanting to socialise and have fun on a hobby trip, and I probably missed some other bizarre and ridiculous grounds for attack but really we all know all the viciousness has been unleashed by OP not believing that TWAW.

I'm so sorry OP, you seem like a very decent person. I'm glad you've found a good solution to your problem anyway and I hope you have fun on your trip.

Tellingitlikeitisnt · 21/12/2019 15:31

I would be very upset if I was placed in a room to sleep next to someone with a male body. That is still my right to decline as far as I know and for my own reasons as stated further back in the thread

If I was aware that OP knew this other woman booked in the room and knew they were male bodied then yes I would be upset with the OP.

All these posters saying it makes no difference what body the room sharers have and the women in the room have no right to know such personal details- well I can only assume you have somehow gone through life not needing to have a fear of men’s bodies and what they are capable of. Lovely for you.

eBooksAreBooks · 21/12/2019 15:05

to discuss who will bring the chocolate, the crisps and the prosecco

FFS. beds are for sleeping in not girly giggling and midnight feasts. I'd much rather share with an shy TW than you OP.

LangCleg · 21/12/2019 14:57

This thread is weird.

TheCraneWife · 21/12/2019 14:53

can I point out that I actually offered to share with transwoman because very few of the other women were happy to do so. I was actually trying to be nice to transwoman

This gets very close to "I can't be racist/ homophobic because I've got friends who are black/ gay" territory. For sake of accuracy of course I acknowledge Jo isn't your friend- just someone you spend a lot of free time with, including overnight stays.

and tried my best to mitigate anyone's embarrassment by changing in the loo

Not sure what your point is. In the unlikely event I were sharing a bedroom with you I wouldn't get changed in front of you and I wouldn't want to see you undressed either.

LangCleg · 21/12/2019 14:52

But that's not what the substitute would be though is it?? The substitute is MAN.

Indeed. Which OP can't say here because it's banned.

FFSFFSFFS · 21/12/2019 14:42

For once the TRA trope of substitute "gay" or "black" or "Jewish " actually makes sense - if you change your post to refer to any other minority it becomes pretty vile

But that's not what the substitute would be though is it?? The substitute is MAN.

This is a group of people who have been put into a shared oom solely on the basis that they are female. Otherwise all the accommodation would be mixed sex .

But instead of it being single sex accommodation it is now mixed sex accommodation.

If I thought I was sharing a single sex room I would be VERY upset to find out that it is a mixed sex room - regardless of how the male person presented themselves.

I would not have the slightest problem interacting outside of the bedroom accommodation with any person of any sex no matter how they presented.

Gardai · 21/12/2019 14:41

Very weirdly worded post OP. You contradict yourself, 'oh I don't mind sharing with a trans woman but I better tell the women who suddenly don't know' and your odd chick lit anecdote of hilariously sharing a bottle of fizz 🙄
You started an argument and now with faux naivety scramble away...job done sir.

Beansandcoffee · 21/12/2019 14:40

I wouldn’t share a room with a strange man.

Why would I be comfortable sharing a Room with a TW?

Fridakahlofan · 21/12/2019 14:34

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