Maya lost - can it be true?

Could also be tactical on part of the judge

Given that the language of the lobby permeates the ruling; assigned at birth, reference to ‘biological opinion increasingly moving away from a (sic) absolutist approach’ etc, I find that unlikely

Wow. Just wow. I've only just caught up with all the posts on this thread.
Absolutely gobsmacked by the ruling and I wouldn't blame Maya if she felt she couldn't bear to go further with this.

However, I will have my spare ready if she does decide to pursue an appeal.

I'm hoping the ruling leaves ample room for appeal as some have suggested here and that the media and other legal experts will step in and expose how truth, scientific facts and freedom of speech are being systematically undermined by the trans lobby at every turn.

Could also be tactical on part of the judge. There are other examples, for instance the no-fault divorce law, where the judges came up with a ludicrous but legally correct decision which eventually forced a change in the law. If he had let her win, this is the lowest level of court and would not have set any precedent. If it’s appealed higher it at least has a chance of actually setting policy.

The gay cake case went all the way to the Supreme Court despite defeats and clarified the position (which includes that people cannot be compelled into belief, even where this affects a protected minority). I am more positive about it now.

And in case anyone is tempted, writing letters of complaints about the judge doesn’t help. Helping to fund an appeal might do though.

In the meantime, there is now a Scottish GRA consultation out. Surely this is now in danger if women cannot openly feed into this consultation for fear of being sacked.

I do hope Maya has the strength to appeal. If so, then this dreadful judgement may have a silver lining by boosting it up to a court which can set precedents.

Justin incredulous.

Wagner actually says judge has gone beyond his remit!

Surely the headline is that you can be sacked for saying there are two sexes. I'm not sure the articles so far have brought this out.

If that lawyer is Adam Wagner, then even though his charity has put forward some misogynist material before now, even he seems to be saying on Twitter that there are grounds for appeal.

Also clutching hope, Maya winning at this stage would also not establish a legal precedent/case law, so opponents could just claim flukery or bias.

The bit that really grinds my gears is the idea that a GC belief is absolute and never challenged by the holder. Most of us will have many beliefs and opinions, but this is one of the hardest and most challenged views I’ve held. You have to be well read in, endocrinology, neuroscience, sociology, linguistics, formal logic and then some - all of which will present challenges and oddities to what seemed like a fairly simple proposition, and then you have to be nice and not say any of the ever-growing list of proscribed words. All the opposition have to do is assert ‘I am right’ as rudely as they like, and it seems to carry equal legal weight. They’re never asked to question whether they really are right or their belief stands up to examination.

Not being an absolutist I’m not sure why this is, but I think it has something to do with penises.

Headlining in Daily Mail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7808685/Britons-ask-transgender-person-male-female-judge-says.html

I'm really unhappy with the Tory victory but this is at least one area where it may be useful.

I'm telling myself that it's perhaps a good thing that this case lost at a low level court because it means it can go up the court structure and have much more sunlight.

Sounds as though the judge was on the same training course as PC Gul and is intent on checking our thoughts.

The press seemed to have recognised that this and Harry's case were important in terms of freedom of speech. It's not in their interests to ignore this either

He's one of those anti women, pro prostitution type human rights lawyers

Good choice BBC. What about having someone who can analyse the way freedom of speech and thought is being cribbed and restricted in sacrifice to a niche ideology?

What a shitshow! More than happy to dig for an appeal, if you still have more fight in you Maya.

Basically he's a Men's Rights Lawyer.

He's one of those anti women, pro prostitution type human rights lawyers.

Yeah the human rights barrister is the personification of woke bloke and totally insufferable and mansplaining. Awful choice.

Human Rights Barrister going to be on R4 after 8.30 discussing case according to tweet from Justin Webb

A man who has repeatedly clashed with Maya and refused to report on sex based rights via his org.

twitter.com/Docstockk/status/1207570325292175360?s=20

From the ruling

Everyone has the right to freedom of thought, freedom to manifest one’s belief shall be subject only to such limitations as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society

Who decides which thoughts are incompatible with a ‘democratic society?’ If belief in the immutability of biological sex is not compatible, that suggests freedom of thought has been seriously restricted in service of a niche ideology.

Thanks Soldiers he did a great job with Jo.

I wonder if this will wake up those doubters who thought we were being OTT, who thought TW were a minority of 'Danish Girls' and who wanted nothing more than to share our powder puffs and fix our hair in the changing rooms

This is very real. But once again, if it doesn't affect men, then why should they care?

Good. Sunlight.

It is going to be on R4 in the next hour.

Justin Webb is going to cover Maya’s case on Radio 4 shortly. He did a great interview with Jo Swinson so hopefully will be good daylight.

The Claimant largely ignores intersex conditions and the fact that biological opinion is increasingly moving away from a (sic) absolutist approach

I note that the rare anomaly of ‘intersex’ is being used to justify a denial that humans are dimorphic. I am not a scientist but I would like to know what scientific basis is there for the judge’s assertion about ‘biological opinion?’

Posting on the hop and not rtft.

There will be reports on this. More sunlight. More analysis. The crap science. More exposure of the bat shit crazy.

Courage calls for a lot of noise.