Gender identity in email signatures

I'm really confused - I thought trans people didn't want to be outed which is exactly what this does?

Also, this whole gender thing is so personal you might as well declare what your sexual orientation is at the end as well.

@SapphosRock That's right, but it's also about context. Nobody is making anyone sign off emails with gender declarations, but the uncomfortable thing is that some people do this because they believe that they are more virtuous that people don't do it.

For me, it's like someone signing off an email with 'Btw, I don't vote Tory'. Now, I don't really warm to the Tories either, but I wouldn't't have a good opinion of someone who signs off their emails in this way, even if I agree with them politically.

It's maybe because, whilst TWAW in exactly the same way that black WAW and tall WAW (you bigot), it is important not to lose sight of the cis /trans binary. For reasons which will become clear if you read this thread from Maya Forstater

mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1206722121096978433

This is where we are heading if we accept the female gender identity that is currently being imposed upon us by, amongst many others, The Guardian, NHS, Met police and the Office for National Statistics.

I don't doubt life can be difficult for some males who do not fit masculine stereotypes. I can pretty much guarantee you that they are not affected by maternity discrimination, pregnancy from rape, period shaming and female social conditioning. No its not an oppression race and true intersectionality should give us all our voices. But with the cis/trans hierarchy, women's lived experiences seem to disappear in an instant.

I really don't understand this. So their email sign off is 'Beverly Jones (she/her), Head of Sales'?

I live in Asia and occasionally see something like Tan, Lim (Ms) which I find helpful as I didn't grow up in Asia and am not familiar with a lot of regional names.

The she/her thing (if that's how it's being written) just seems like they're trying to show how woke they are. Fucking bizarre bollocks.

It not appropriate, any more than it would be appropriate to create a culture where people are forced to declare if they are gay

This.

At my company it was a Sandy that prompted the team to do this for a while — after an Indian client assumed he was a she and offered him a job (which he accepted) in a women’s only nightshift IT team

Well i’d say that is because they didn’t do their due diligence- no interview? I’ve had to submit my birth cert or some verification of identity for every job I have had.

Especially if it’s a position where sex discrimination law doesn’t apply.

If this becomes a thing, let's all write random words taken from the dictionary which we identify as.

What an excellent idea.

Yours

Arnold
Biological Realitiest
Peelly-wally
Thou/thee/thy/thine/nominative plural ye and correct verb ending required

But if TWAW then surely we are all one homogenous group and there is no such thing as trans or cis?

GrandmaMazur
Pronouns: Confused / The world has gone bloody mad

There is something very individualistic and egotistical about this whole gender identity parade. You do you

It is narcissistic BS and I can’t help feeling it’s an attempt to compensate for profound mediocrity.

Jo Swansong made me laugh

Surely this just adds an extra layer of potential confusion? I can actually understand the logic behind including gender pronouns, ever though I don't think it's appropriate to require people to sum up their relationship with "gender" - which may be incredibly personal - in their email sig... But if you saw one saying "Sam - trans/she/her" a lot of people would be trying to work out their natal sex and some might even assume they are a trans man about to transition (as there is a lot of public confusion about this). Why include more potential for head-scratching? Putting trans/cis strikes me as TMI and quite idiotic tbh.

It's no one else's bloody business, and in any case, who cares? It's not generally relevant to the way people do their job: any more than signing off emails gay, bi or straight.

There is something very individualistic and egotistical about this whole gender identity parade. You do you. I don't suspect anyone else is particularly interested unless it results in a direct infringement of their own rights.

If other people want to sign their emails off in this ludicrous way, that's a decision for them (and yes, I judge them for it). When I start making a song and dance about it is when someone starts trying to make me do the same. (Plot spoiler: I won't).

BTW, 'Jo Swansong' really made me laugh!

What unspeakable BS if Swansong goes to House of Lords🤮

Yep, they're talking about this women don't exist / it's all about being fair but not to women joining the Lords.

Baroness Imbecile, or something like that I believe.

I'm pretty sure a trans man or woman would not like to have to include "trans" as part of their email signature either.

Please tell me Jo Swansong is not taking ermine?

I'll change my sign off on emails to Stonewall, Jo Swinson and Angela Rayner

Regards,

Devereux1
Director of Sanity & Science
XX chromosones / real woman / yes, there is such a thing as men and women Jo / go back to school instead of the House of Lords and learn about science you utter, utter tool

What is professional about a declaration of sexual preference in a work email?

If this becomes a thing, let's all write random words taken from the dictionary which we identify as.

Regards,

Devereux1
Prime Minister
Combine harvester/television set/Pluto

I agree this is analogous to making everyone write that they are gay/straight/lesbian/bisexual in their signature.
Or making everyone write details of their hidden disability or their religion.

A second degree connection on LinkedIn has added his pronouns to his name.

So it reads "Mark Smith (he/his)" if he comes up in my feed or you search him, it's not just included as part of his bio/profile.

It makes me think he is a woke-signalling tit.

It's like that joke -
Q: How do you know if someone's non-binary?
A: Because they'll tell you...