Self ID Stats

I really don't know why it's such a problem?

@LizzyButterfly:

It's a problem because I have spent my entire adult life repelling unwelcome attention from the weaker sex, which my creepy bil says is because I am a lesbian and therefore "a challenge". Because I would like to go for a swim (or a piss) without having to fend off said attention. Because I would like my young daughters to be able to use changing rooms and toilets without running the risk of them running into some creep Yaniving about the place and offering to help them insert tampons. Get it?

Ugh. When the OP has clearly not thought any of this through in a coherent way, and yet has the audacity to start threads telling women how to think better, and doesn't answer questions. It's such a time waster .

Anyway, do you really, truly think a man would get a GRC just to get into a woman only space???
Predators spend years training to be priests, or doctors. So yes absolutely they would download a form from the internet and sign it to promise they really mean it when they say they are women.
Do you understand what 'self ID' is? You should do if you are supporting it.

I don't care if you don't feel like every other woman on the planet; I care if you are stopping other women being able to access resources they need because of their sex.

I don't know what your concept of "live as a woman" means, I'm a woman but my experiences aren't the same as every other woman's

And Lizzy, can you explain how 'living as a woman' is different from 'living as a man'? Thanks.

Do you think they'll put on a dress and be out in the open?

They won't need to put on a dress because under self ID men only have to say they are a woman to be allowed into women's spaces. This is the whole point... what is a woman? Someone who wears a dress?

LizzyButterfly
What do you think a GRC is for? Why is it so important for transgender people to get one?

I'm off to bed!

But they don’t need a GRC to do that OP that’s the point.

“Acceptance without question”‘means that any man can turn up I’m a previously female only space & go unchallenged. Signs telling ppl to use the changing space they feel most comfortable with for example. Nothing to stop a man deciding he feels most comfortable in the women’s fitting rooms

It’s not about trans ppl it’s about men having access to female spaces

My friends brother has decided they were a woman last year. No surgery, no hormones, not even adopting particularly female dress. He’s just grown his hair, wears make up & wears ‘feminine’ tops with jeans. Self ID says their Male body is entitled to be in any & all female only spaces. No!

Some organisations are already allowing men into women's spaces on the basis a man says he identifies as a woman, no GRC required to prove this. How do you safeguard women and girls if all is required is for the man to say he is a woman? It's an open invitation for all the predatory males.

Here we go.

And thank you for proving that living as a woman is bollocks. It's a biological reality that affects whether you even get allowed to make to term in uterus , whether you are taken home or thrown in the trash to die, or whether you get to go to school or shot .

Anyway, do you really, truly think a man would get a GRC just to get into a woman only space???

Yes. According to people who work with prisoners, identifying as a woman in order to be transferred to a women's prison is quite popular. Particularly amongst sex offenders (as the stats show). I wonder why that would be?

Do you really truly think that NO predatory males would get a GRC to get into a female only space ? Why wouldn't they ?
Again, how many females are an acceptable level of collateral damage?

They hide in septic tanks and air vents to spy on and film women.

An online form is all their christmases come at once

Oh, if only us silly women would just educate ourselves we’d be A-ok with this. Right? So effing patronising. 🙄

The GRA has nothing to do with the EA

It interacts with the EA and other legislation because it changes a person's legally recognised sex. That's what it's for.

There are quite a few questions that you've been asked OP, I'm interested in your answers.

How many women has convicted rapist “Karen” White been convicted of sexually assaulting in the female prison estate? Two? That’s already two too many in my book. There is no acceptable level of collateral damage.

If it makes no difference then why do you need it?

It was only brought in because same sex marriage wasnt recognised. Now it is. People are free to marry who they want provided they are consenting adults.

If you plan to "live as a woman " whatever the hell that means then you will surely he doing all you need to do to get the certificate anyway?

If you want to sit and do it in an instant without any changes to your life then what's the point? Why get it at all?

It would be interesting what the law in those countries says about self ID giving access to single sex spaces in those countries. I once heard Ireland used biological sex for prisons and single sex schools though that seems to be changing. We keep hearing its not a right of access here and still won't be, if only we believed that.

Changing your legal ‘gender’ in Denmark does not give a man the right to access female changing rooms.
I don’t think access to other female only spaces has been tested, but it does mean men cannot assume the Danish equivalent of a GRC gives them access in places where men are excluded on the basis of sex.

Which then also gets around the problem of any Tom, Dick and Harry, however they identify, accessing women’s spaces, and it avoids men getting a GRC for nefarious reasons.

It is not clear whether this is what is proposed in the UK.