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Stonewall award and teaching at school

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DebbieBarry · 17/12/2019 14:30

Our school newsletter tells us:

"We are very proud to have been awarded our Stonewall Award... this award allow Schools to effectively benchmark their progress and give direction to their ongoing work in tackling homophobic, biphobic and transphobic bullying and celebrating diversity. Some feedback from Stonewall: “Your PSHE lesson is exemplary, a best-practice example of discussion around consent, and the difference between gender identity and gender expression, and how they're also related concepts....you've also clearly started threading LGBT themes into other areas of your curriculum....”

I have no issue with some of this but I do want to ask how they are teaching sex / gender etc given Stonewall's view on self id and so I've drafted this so far:

Dear Mr X
Please could you let me know how Stonewall guidelines are being followed in lessons and particularly how these relate to sex and gender and self id?
Thank you yours xxx

Any suggestions for improving this? AIBU?

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ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 17/12/2019 18:11

AngryAngryAngryAngry

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 17/12/2019 18:10

READ CERTAIN BOOKS??????

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 17/12/2019 18:09

Read certain books?

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 17/12/2019 18:09

I just came here to say that Clymene but you got it.

Clymene · 17/12/2019 18:07

Somehow I find determining your 'gender identity' based on what books you enjoy even more offensive than if you favour olive green or hot pink

BovaryX · 17/12/2019 18:05

Gender expression – this is the way that you express your gender! For example, if you identify as a girl you might want to dress in a certain way or read certain books

read certain books

What is this idiocy? What limiting, restrictive BS. Is this being taught in most schools in the UK? Why has this lobby been allowed to influence children and teach them reactionary nonsense?

CrissmussMockers · 17/12/2019 17:42

What is 'natural' about wearing clothes?

(Ever see a squirrel in a frock?)

TeenPlusTwenties · 17/12/2019 16:32

In particular, please can you clarify what you are teaching with respect to:

  • whether a person change sex
  • whether science backs up that 'people can be born in the wrong body'
  • challenging gender stereotypes across the classroom (eg being clear boys can have long hair & like pink, girls can like construction and have short hair)
HandsOffMyRights · 17/12/2019 15:20

Some more on Stonewall's definition of gender ID and gender expression here

www.youngstonewall.org.uk/lgbtq-info/gender-identity

'Gender expression – this is the way that you express your gender! For example, if you identify as a girl you might want to dress in a certain way or read certain books. A lot of people might not be aware of their gender expression, as it’s a natural way that we express ourselves.'

As a female, I only read certain books, clearly.
Only those by Catherine Cookson and Jilly Cooper.

Sorry, being pedantic but as the parent of a child at a Stonewall Champion School I can tell you their definitions, glossary of terms and ideology are ridiculous.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 17/12/2019 14:54

If I were you I would try to be very specific about what you want to see as a response. They might just send you the PSHE curriculum for example. You want to understand whether they make distinctions about sex and gender and what their core message is. So you need to phrase that request carefully. Otherwise You'll just end up going backwards and forwards around the issue.

And YANBU.

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