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Helen Lewis Twitter abuse - what happened?

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ARoombaOfOnesOwn · 16/12/2019 13:04

I’ve only seen this today after some of the tweets have been deleted - did anyone see what happened? A male journo seemed to be going after her. Also she had sent Prick News an email criticising an article - not adhering to suicide reporting guidelines as well as misreporting. She is very balanced on the trans issue - I think it just shows their intolerance if they cannot tolerate even balanced articles and opinions.

Tweet about email sent here:
mobile.twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1206161837185785857

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LangCleg · 17/12/2019 09:44

The point she is making is that there is a mismatch between the concerns of voters and the concerns of Corbyn's twitter followers. I think other journalists made the same point, but Helen Lewis is a female journalist who writes about women's rights, and women must know their place.

Everyone outside of the Twitter Wokerati is talking about the mismatch between the concerns of voters and the concerns of the Twitter Wokerati. Presumably, they've blocked so many accounts they don't see any of it except for lurking even marginally GC Witch accounts like Helen's in non-logged in windows for denunciation purposes!

I despair.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 17/12/2019 09:38

Benjamin Cohen's husband Dr Anthony James is or was a trustee of Mermaids, I believe.

I saw quite a lot of the row on Twitter before he retracted. Unbelievably stupid thing for him to do as well as misogynistic and outright nasty. Judging by his CV, he can't be much more than mid-20s and now his name is largely known to influential people in his profession for being a misogynist who attacked a very well-liked and high-achieving woman and made totally unfounded slurs on her reputation and standing with her colleagues. Not much of an advertisement for his journalistic credentials.

Justhadathought · 17/12/2019 09:25

Twitter is an open sewer.......what few supposed positives it offers are considerably outweighed by the sheer negativity of it all.

Kilbranan · 17/12/2019 09:17

Thanks for the link merry I have just pre ordered it too
The bullying of women on social media, in plain sight is just horrendous

merrymouse · 17/12/2019 08:59

This is the article he felt deserved a tirade of abuse:

www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2019/12/britain-election-jeremy-corbyn-labour/603553/

This was the extract he didn't like:

"He also pledged to allow adults to self-identify their gender, and suggested that the law might legally recognize nonbinary people. Such policies are extremely popular among left-wing accounts on British political Twitter, but perhaps less interesting to swing voters in places such as Redcar, where the steelworks recently shut down under the Tory government, and where voters nevertheless switched from Labour to the Conservatives."

The point she is making is that there is a mismatch between the concerns of voters and the concerns of Corbyn's twitter followers. I think other journalists made the same point, but Helen Lewis is a female journalist who writes about women's rights, and women must know their place.

I pre-ordered a copy of Helen's book.

www.amazon.co.uk/Difficult-Women-History-Feminism-Fights/dp/1787331288?tag=mumsnetforu03-21

Datun · 17/12/2019 08:48

Has any feminist other than Meghan Murphy sued twitter? What's it called if they all get together? Class action?

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 17/12/2019 08:38

The Scold's Bridle is alive and kicking on social media.

jadefinch · 17/12/2019 08:27

Update: Wings Over Scotland, a really good blue tick account with a large following, which campaigns for an independent Scotland but has tweeted just as much in support of gender critical positions this year, has been permanently suspended for saying 'you sound like a c*' to Nick Duffy, the Pink News journalist who lied about Helen Lewis in an attempt to bully her.

Cohen's tweet of 'she's vile' is fine, but not Wings Over Scotland, even though swearing is not banned on the platform.

BovaryX · 17/12/2019 08:06

Men like these support the translobby as it promotes a version of womanhood they are more comfortable with - conforming to a stereotype. The idea of an adult human female being anything she damn wants to be is anathema to them

zanahoria
I think that’s it. The regressive sex stereotypes, the focus on the superficial manifestations of femininity which becomes almost parodic. The vitriolic misogynistic abuse directed at any women who object. It’s all very bloody grim

ChattyLion · 17/12/2019 07:38

So she was rounded on for asking questions related to women and children’s rights and for asking journalists to provide more evidenced writing in their articles?
Right OK then.
Sounds like she was doing her job.
The rest of that little pack of authoritarian misogynists seem to think that journalism is for the issue of dogmatic tracts for us all to obey. Something’s got very confused here.

(My spellchecker just came up with ‘dongmatic’ tracts, which on hindsight probably works better here..) Grin

zanahoria · 17/12/2019 07:10

"It's pure misogyny. They can't see it"

The agressive tweets followed by 'hun' and 'babe' are a dead giveaway.

Men like these support the translobby as it promotes a version of womanhood they are more comfortable with - conforming to a stereotype. The idea of an adult human female being anything she damn wants to be is anathema to them.

BovaryX · 17/12/2019 06:25

Good to see some names weighing in. A Tory MP and Sky’s Kate McCann

Siamesy
I didn’t see this, but it sounds horrendous. I don’t understand how this level of misogynistic bullying is deemed okay, but Harry Miller is visited by the police? Which Conservative MP intervened? I am very worried that the trans lobbying has already started and the Conservatives need to hear why so many women are unhappy about the bullying tactics and misogynistic agenda of this lobby. Maybe this MP can be an ally for GC voices?

HandsOffMyRights · 16/12/2019 20:24

They are cowards.
Emboldened by the rise of misogyny on social media and the fact that abusing women is now a sport for such little men. It's open season because there are no consequences for attacking women, no hate crime.

They don't dare do this to men, if you notice.

I have teenage boys and I'd be horrified if they behaved like these middle aged men do.

LizzieSiddal · 16/12/2019 20:14

Poor Helen.

These men are utter bastards, why haven’t they been banned from Twitter for bullying, misogyny and lying?

KettlePolly · 16/12/2019 20:09

We are variously pleading, reasoning, stating that these things have really crap consequences. For children and women. Slapped down. You can spot the cock at 50 fucking metres.

KettlePolly · 16/12/2019 20:07

It's pure misogyny. They can't see it.

Siameasy · 16/12/2019 19:53

Wow that’s insane - are we sure it’s grown men and not 16 yr old boys?!?
Good to see some names weighing in. A Tory MP and Sky’s Kate McCann

ClosdesMouches · 16/12/2019 19:40

I'm on adifferent time zone currently so I saw much of the abuse play out 'live'. jadefinch has given an excellent summary.

terfsandwich · 16/12/2019 19:05

Yep.
It's a cult.

Ereshkigal · 16/12/2019 18:43

Great summary jade. I was up late Sat night and saw most of it play out live.

HandsOffMyRights · 16/12/2019 17:46

Ben Cohen's contempt for women wasn't even concealed when he appeared on TV during the GRA.

Now I know why he doesn't do much TV.

ThePurported · 16/12/2019 16:31

What Lang said. They must have used up their list of 10,000 terfiest women for these Two Minutes Twitter Hate sessions.

Don't they realise that this is all public stuff?
Oh they do - hounding women who write about women's rights is the new 'right side of history' for this lot. They should google Lewis's Law Wink

ArnoldWhatshisknickers · 16/12/2019 16:10

Absolute children.

The childishness is disturbing but seems to be an increasing feature of 'social' media discourse.

I really, really cannot imagine these men speaking this way in real life, particularly not to other men (and the men I know in the real world are infinitely blunter in their views of all things trans than Helen Lewis would ever dream of being), so what is about a public platform like Twitter that they forget civility completely?

Uncompromisingwoman · 16/12/2019 16:00

I saw this last night - and agree with Lang - only total capitulation by women at the altar of male demands will ever be enough.

I was heartened by so many people tweeting their support for her here:

mobile.twitter.com/helenlewis/status/1205967624317865984 .

LangCleg · 16/12/2019 15:49

What strikes me about this is that Helen is the least terven terf who ever terfed. She's even said TWAW for most purposes, FFS.

Just goes to show. Not a word out of place will be countenanced by the male supremacists.

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