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Scottish GRA draft legislation

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/12/2019 22:58

According to Shirley Anne Somerville (MSP) on twitter twitter.com/WG_Scotland/status/1206322648206233600?s=19 the draft GRA bill will be out next week.

Women and Girls in Scotland have done some tweeting about the form the consultation is likely to take and they are hoping to release some guidance next year.

Definitely one to keep an eye on, and submit responses too. Even though this is Scottish legislation you can be sure that Westminster will be watching closely.

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AnyOldPrion · 17/12/2019 11:31

The fear is that some men will misuse trans equality

Oh and this is not “trans equality”. This is the desires of male transitioners being put above the needs of women.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/12/2019 11:31

Interesting...

"5.18. Providers of services such as domestic abuse refuges may receive funding from the Scottish Government. As part of any application for funding, providers are asked to submit a plan on trans inclusion. Requiring an inclusion plan from funding recipients does not result in funding recipients being unable to rely on a relevant single sex exception. A recipient of the fund would be able to apply an exception which is available under the 2010 Act and could state as much in their inclusion plan. "

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AnyOldPrion · 17/12/2019 11:28

5.06. The Cabinet Secretary said in her Parliamentary statement that concerns about the impact GRA reform would have on women were not, at their core concerns about trans women. “Rather they are about men who seek to abuse women. The fear is that some men will misuse trans equality to access women and do us harm. I understand that. I understand that predatory men will always seek to find ways to harm women. That’s not a new problem in Scottish or global society – nor is it a problem created by, or the fault of, trans people”

  1. Incorrect. Evidence suggest male transitioners continue to offend at the same rates as other men. So those male transitioners are also a problem.

  2. Even if this is not a problem created by trans people, it is a problem created by this legislation. It cannot therefore be ignored with a shrug and a not their fault, not our problem.

They are so wilfully blind.

This statement is also in conflict with the later section you highlight ItsAll, where they claim there is no impact on women.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/12/2019 11:26

DEADLINE: 17th MARCH 2019

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OvaHere · 17/12/2019 11:23

Lack of evidence for negative impacts. Please Angry

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/12/2019 11:23

So this:

The Scottish Government is of the view that there is lack of evidence that including trans women in women-only services and spaces has negative impacts.

Seems to be the important thing to address, along with the issue that providers are being lied to about single sex exemptions.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/12/2019 11:18

Oh FFS,

The EqIA - impact on women - none

" A number of respondents to the previous consultation raised concerns about the implications of legal gender recognition for women.

Concerns included:

• access to women’s safe spaces;
• risk of abuse;
• women’s sports;
• intimate medical care;
• the accuracy of statistical information in areas
such as crime recording or equality
monitoring;
• freedom of speech.

The Scottish Government is of the view that there is lack of evidence that including trans women in women-only services and spaces has negative impacts.

The 2010 Act has a number of specified exceptions to the general provisions on non-discrimination. Some of these exceptions are directly relevant when considering the position of women in relation to gender recognition. Organisations and service providers can, when appropriate, make use of the exceptions in the 2010 Act to exclude trans people. However, the exceptions have to be used in a
proportionate way, and to achieve a legitimate aim.

On sport, section 195 of the 2010 Act contains provision allowing, in certain specified circumstances, restrictions on trans people
participating in sport to be imposed if necessary to uphold fair competition or the safety of competitors.

On single sex services, the 2010 Act allows women-only services and allows services to exclude trans women in certain specified circumstances when it is proportionate and in pursuit of a legitimate aim.

Paragraph 28 of schedule 3 the 2010 Act sets out the exception which relates to trans persons, and provides:
(1) A person does not contravene section 29,
so far as relating to gender reassignment
discrimination, only because of anything done
in relation to a matter within sub-paragraph (2)
if the conduct in question is a proportionate
means of achieving a legitimate aim.
(2) The matters are—
(a) the provision of separate services for
persons of each sex;
(b) the provision of separate services
differently for persons of each sex;
(c) the provision of a service only to persons
of one sex.

This provision would, for example, allow the operator of a domestic abuse refuge designed for women only to exclude a trans woman from the service if the operator judges that this is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim. This is likely to involve carrying out a risk assessment to balance the needs
of all parties: the trans person; other users of the service and staff.

On data, the Scottish Government has established a working group on sex and gender in data.

On freedom of speech, the Scottish Government is fully committed to this and there are provisions in the European Convention on Human Rights to protect freedom of speech.

Given the various provisions in this area, we have ticked the “none” box."

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 17/12/2019 11:10

Consultation is up:

www.gov.scot/news/gender-recognition-consultation-opens/

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PlayYouLikeAShark · 16/12/2019 21:35

Definitely keep an eye on the WG Scotland Twitter a/c. Their guidance will be very valuable I think & from what I understand, it's worth holding off submitting responses til near the end of the consultation period. There'll be plenty of time to review & consider how to respond & the consultation responses are supposed to form part of the EqIA so will be an important part of the process.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/12/2019 21:29

When the consultation comes out we need to answer it as well as we possibly can to make sure those responsible actually understand the issues and impact on women.

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OhHolyJesus · 16/12/2019 19:58

Is that right Itsallgoingtobefine? Sneaky. Just like the timing of this. What can we do about this? The consultation is likely to be a whitewash...

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 16/12/2019 14:41

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it was not released before the election.

Absolutely. Along with the manifesto promise to reform only appearing in the LGBT manifesto two days before the election (as opposed to the main publicised manifesto)

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Gingerkittykat · 16/12/2019 13:32

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that it was not released before the election.

NonnyMouse1337 · 16/12/2019 06:51

Ha! Nice way to kick off Christmas. Xmas Shock

The suggestion to submit the response towards the end of the consultation period because it gives you more time to include any recent developments is a good one.

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