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Douglas Murray on intolerant politics

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BovaryX · 15/12/2019 12:43

There is an interesting article by Douglas Murray in the DM about the authoritarian, identity politics which have alienated Labour voters and triggered a paradigm shift in the political landscape. It covers some of the themes which Lang GC Pencils and others have been discussing in light of election result.

It is a divide between people who have real-world concerns and those focused on niche and barely significant ones...How, you might ask, have we reached such a state? There is a clue in the Labour Party’s dysfunctional reaction to its catastrophic defeat on Thursday

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koshkat · 15/12/2019 13:30

Absolutely agree 100%.

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BovaryX · 15/12/2019 13:26

Murray understands what ordinary people think and they don't - and not only don't, don't even want to

Yes. It’s that idea that the voters have failed the party, not the party has failed the voters. That vitriolic abuse against voters has been an explicit part of left wing discourse since 2016. It’s unsurprising millions of voters have turned their backs on this rabid intolerance

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LangCleg · 15/12/2019 13:08

One key observation for me was the extent to which extended family provided social safety networks in traditional working class communities.

Queer theory again, I'm afraid. It has little but contempt for the integrity of the family. But, if you're an ordinary pleb, and your state safety nets have been removed by neoliberal capitalism, the integrity of family is vital.

koshkat · 15/12/2019 13:07

I like Dougas Murray very much and, as usual, he is spot on.

LangCleg · 15/12/2019 13:06

I demand a byline! LOL!

I was saying on another thread that the Red Tory/Blue Labour wavering section of the electorate now appears to hold the electoral balance of power in England and probably Wales too.

You probably couldn't get much more metropolitan elite than Douglas Murray (and I still view him as an Islamophobe, sorry) but honestly - look at the difference between him as right wing metropolitan poshie and the Labour Wokeistas as left wing metropolitan poshies.

It's fucking embarrassing for the posh left that Murray understands what ordinary people think and they don't - and not only don't, don't even want to.

Needmoresleep · 15/12/2019 12:58

Fab article.

I have just spent a decade commuting between central London, where it is not uncommon to know people who live in £3 million houses, send their children to private schools and who cover their Twitter with Momentum stuff and Ash Sakar/Owen Jones stuff, and the seaside town where my elderly and unwell mother lived. In the latter I was meeting care workers, and health workers and tradespeople. They were voting Conservative. Momentum was not offering them anything. And the fear was that they would end up paying the bill for the various Labour promises.

(Not helped by having to tiptoe around a sensitive TG care worker, but that is another story.)

One key observation for me was the extent to which extended family provided social safety networks in traditional working class communities. I benefited. If my mother was unwell, I was able to quickly arrange 24 hour care using the carers extended family. The careers grandchildren often went with my mother to the park etc, and she sort of became an honorary grandmother. I assume similar happens in red wall constituencies. It is not just about the state and welfare. I am not sure the London Labour hierarchy really understand that.

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BovaryX · 15/12/2019 12:54
Grin Yep! I reckon there’s some credits missing...,
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GCAcademic · 15/12/2019 12:52

He's cribbed that all off threads off here, hasn't he!

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