how trans friendly is your area?

Dc can decide about their own ids, gender, or otherwise. Absolutely.

Its a different issue, wholly, decisions around medicalising that, or accessing public facilities. Those are definitely feminist issues.

The op was how friendly is your area, which is what I addressed my response to.

Its all very woolly

Not surprising at all.

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Truth, I assume you are new here.

The question posed was:

"It is acceptable for adolescent children to make their own decisions about their gender identity"

A different way of putting it might be, are you as mothers supportive of teenagers with male genitalia sharing toilet, changing rooms, overnight accommodation etc with girls, possibly going through puberty, possibly menstruating, possibly body conscious, possibly with cultural or religious restrictions. With the girls having no right to object or to demand privacy.

If this is not a feminist issue, it is hard to see what is. Feminists fought hard for single sex spaces and single sex exemptions.

I'm not seeing the connection or are we saying that the mere act of being trans friendly impinges on women's rights?

In which case what is 'trans friendly' meant to be meaning?

I didn't get any of that explanation from the OP. Am I missing something?

Its just sounds like a nonsense to me.

One of things people voted Conservative was because of the identity nonsense, the madness needs to stop

Truth, there is a clear clash between trans rights and women's rights. It is important that the detail is researched, considered and debated so that vulnerable people, whether female or male and/or trans are appropriately protected.

So the post is in the right place.

On feminism board 'how trans friendly is your area'.

Friendly towards trans is a feminist issue how exactly?

I would ask for your post to be moved OP

The survey seems to reflect the impressive cognitive dissidence you find in London with high earners wanting low taxes but also wanting woke points, for things like gender and immigration, and based on election results, high Government spending.

The weirdness of constituencies with roads full of million pound houses voting Momentum Labour, whilst others with back to back terraces voting Conservative is perhaps because people with money do not understand life outside London, or their relative affluence.

And maybe in a high cost city you want to appear to be in favour "equality", but equally want a cheap work force, some living in sheds, to drive your Uber, deliver your parcel, look after your children, do your plumbing and mend the hole in your road.

True, my Bristol 'vibe' is as a visitor also, so it would be interesting to hear from those who live there.

'Vibe' not 'cibd' (wtf is up with my sausage fingers tonight!).

I definitely get a very different cibd from Bristol, as you say.

But then that may be because I worked in Brum and have mainly just visited Bristol as a tourist effectively - i.e. visited entirely different areas of each respective city.

Donut - you are correct. It's not woke generally.

There are pockets, the Hippodrome Theatre and its 'mixed gender' toilets, but mostly this city has a different feel to Bristol, which feels fairly woke.

This is where we spoke to people around the time of the GRA deadline. This included a number of women from ethnically diverse groups (and their husbands).
None were supportive of men sharing spaces with the women and their children - they were shocked to be honest and took Fairplay flyers away with them.

None of them had a clue about self ID - the public has been kept in the dark and fed a pack of propaganda re what trans entails.

Explain that most men retain their genitalia, that not every tw is 'The Danish Girl', talk about Karen White and that transwomen are not women who wish to be men. And this is before we get onto the horrors of Stonewall and Mermaids.

And this is why I smell a rat with this poll.

Have a look at Iran - where homosexuality is still a capital offence

No donut, but extreme religious types (of various religions) are quite fond of the "trans away the gay" approach...

I can't say I've ever heard that. Not disagreeing, I honestly have just never encountered that viewpoint.

No donut, but extreme religious types (of various religions) are quite fond of the "trans away the gay" approach...

All the B cities and towns seem very woke - Bristol, Brighton, even Birmingham.

Birmingham? Really?

I used to live there and remember it having a high Muslim population (50% of who believe homosexuality should be an imprisonable offence according to various statistics I've read).

According to the Birmingham mail, the 2011 census showed that 42% of residents were 'British non-white'. If the 2021 poll shows an increase at least equal to the one between 2001-2011 (12%), then white British residents will be in the minority - 60% of under 18s in Birmingham are now 'non-white British'.

I don't see it as being a city of trendy woke hipsters.

Least supportive in the whole country. That takes some doing!

The linked diagram has nothing to do with "trans-friendliness" or otherwise. It's a diagram about how people in certain areas think we should as a society respond to children's perceptions of themselves in a sexist, homophobic world.

Trans people are not a hivemind. There is no one real definition of "trans" anyway. Some trans people will be very supportive of the idea that children should not have gender stereotypes reinforced, and "watch and wait" is better. Other trans people - particularly the small number of extreme activists who seem to dominate the discussion - seem to think that gender-nonconforming children should be marched off the the Tavvi, stat.

tl;dr: what a ridiculous way to frame the discussion, OP.

It depends on the terms the questions were couched in. And I suspect many of the responses come from the same place as I'd have come from before having my eyes opened to the aggression, misogyny, homophobia and more general foisting of the trans-agenda coming from the more vocal activists and their supporters. I can see no problem at all in young people doing as they want, wearing what they want, and presenting as whatever gender they please. It's no more shocking than dressing as punks or goths in my day in order to resist 'mainstream' stereotypes; particularly given so many trans people these days opt to remain intact and not to pursue any form of medical reassignment.

The problems arise with invasive hormonal and medical treatments which will almost certainly result in infertility and likely pose a risk to health, the ramifications of which are not yet apparent in medical science and won't become so for a number of years.

Anyone who advocates opening up such practices with minors who are not yet mature enough to make such life-changing decisions is IMO complicit in abuse.

To state so is not transphobia. But TRAs have a practice of silencing any dissent as bigotry, and appear to have an agenda that goes far beyond balancing the rights of women, trans people, or LGB people.

My result doesn’t surprise me, based on my knowledge of the area & the demographics. My constituency also gets decent numbers of signatories on GC parliamentary petitions about the GRA reforms & related issues, so go figure. 🤷‍♂️

^ Sufficiently vague to meet with Bunbury’s style guide, I hope.

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Bethnal Green and Bow is 3rd supportive re: minimising tax, but they just elected a Labour MP with 72.7% of the vote.

Some of the figures in that survey seem a bit odd.

Islington South ranks 8th supportive of statement

"Tax rates for higher earners should be minimised to keep the UK competitive" but they just re-elected Emily Thornberry.

Bottom quartile!

Ranked 1st!!!!! It's unbelievable - I am so proud to live where I live. Very confused though, we've been at a Tory Victory Street Party all day and nobody there knows what gender is nor has answered any sort of questionnaire?