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Muststopfaffing · 14/12/2019 13:11

Can’t see another thread on this, apologies if I missed it.
Sorry I can’t work out how to link to FB but Green Party Women’s page has issued a statement asking people to refrain from using the term T*rf in light of FPFW report on its use by Green (and other parties) candidates. They’re getting a lot of kickback from TRAs but it’s quite extraordinary reading their new stance and recognition of misogyny and institutionalised sexism in the Greens!

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 15/12/2019 12:33

It seems strange to me that the Green Party is more concerned with gender ideology than saving the planet. Same with Amnesty

It's entryism. Lots of woke young people joining and then pushing their own agenda.

Dolorabelle · 15/12/2019 12:28

I found the page and the thread and got all annoyed again. It seemed depressingly full of men telling women how to do feminism.

Clearly they have no appreciation of irony. Or feminism.

Sparklyboots · 15/12/2019 12:07

It's full of "Terf is not an insult, it's a description" with absolutely no self reflection on say, male being a legitimate descriptor that plenty of TRAs regard as actual violence. And so fucking appropriative: asking if TW need to respect their oppressors (meaning GC fems), which has been lifted wholesale from feminist arguments for sex segregated spaces, making a revolting equivalence that doesn't exist (because it's not gender critical women who are responsible for 98% of violence including sexual violence against women but it absolutely is male people who perpetrate 98% these violences against women)

HandsOffMyRights · 15/12/2019 10:48

Well done to Jacky and those other women.

I'm sure there are some delightful threats and ladycock images being sent your way, so I applaud your mettle.

MrsSnippyPants · 15/12/2019 10:40

@gencritgreen is the account to follow on Twitter.

Thethiniceofanewday · 15/12/2019 07:30

It seems strange to me that the Green Party is more concerned with gender ideology than saving the planet. Same with Amnesty - I was a big supporter of them in the past but they seem more concerned now about affirming gender identity than fighting for political prisoners.

BeyondVotesForFlube · 14/12/2019 21:54

Regardless of what's happening with GPW (ive been looking, but can't find the bloody post I saw the other day), I know it is not a small number of people who are very angry that self-ID was snuck into the manifesto without a vote by the members.

TeiTetua · 14/12/2019 21:41

Is it possible that a small group of dissidents have somehow taken over the Green Party Women Facebook page, and they're running with the gender-critical idea until the rest of the party reclaims control? This just seems like such a huge break with the past policy (and so many GC women have left the Greens) that I can't believe it's got much support in the party.

It's as if some splinter group has taken over a radio station and is broadcasting their viewpoint until finally the doors are broken down and they're hauled away from the microphone! With prompt and fervent denials immediately made, saying that the views expressed were not authorized as party policy etc etc.

EverardDigby · 14/12/2019 21:19

It has brought out just how unpleasant and irrational some people are though, sunlight and all that. I think it's been well-played.

Voice0fReason · 14/12/2019 21:12

Oh my, some of the replies to that thread are just awful.

OhHolyJesus · 14/12/2019 20:46

GPW on FB is one I follow and I'm no longer on Twitter so can't comment but I do know that copy-cat accounts have been created and the issues have been raised within the party as I think to create one is against party rules.

Don't quote me but it's not as if we haven't seen this before. GPW on FB is about women and the abuse on that thread from official GP post holders is astonishing (and then they deny it is abuse), but then when you've got candidates using the T word (sounds like surf) so casually it's amazing to me that there are any women left in it at all, at least ones that are gender critical.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 14/12/2019 20:27

Not on FB but the green party women Twitter account is wall to wall trans and NB inclusive and pro sex work. Is this any kind of policy or just a few lone voices?

donquixotedelamancha · 14/12/2019 19:19

I read the FB comments and have to say that the woman who is running the page displayed a lot of patience. In doing so she allowed the insanity to emerge

I agree. I think she did a really good job of keeping the focus on asking people not to be abusive. It showed up how much 'TRAs' can't make actual arguments, they can only name-call and resort to it quickly even when met with reason and patience.

koshkat · 14/12/2019 19:07

Some of those comments are just...are these people mad?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 14/12/2019 19:03

Jackie Holyoake, you are brilliant, if you're on here.

SetYourselfOnFire · 14/12/2019 19:00

The Green Party as a whole are still sticking to their guns. As far as I am aware, this is a group of women attempting to change the party's policies from within.

Best news I've heard all week. Bless these women! This is what women need to do in all political parties, we outnumber them and we're right. All they have is threats.

Dolorabelle · 14/12/2019 18:20

Green Party Women’s page has issued a statement asking people to refrain from using the term Trf in light of FPFW report on its use by Green (and other parties) candidates*

Gosh! Is it too much to hope that they are slowly coming to their senses and realising how misogynist they were being?

I lost any desire to vote Green (and I've voted Green in the past) when they called women "non-men' at one of their conferences, and took seriously the statement from a man that he "Presented as male, but identified as female." It's the Schroedinger's activist: taking up his full masculine privilege in order to exert his right to being The.Most.Oppressed

Yuk.

So I'm interested in the possibility that the Greens are realising , at last, that you can't shove women out of the way and still claim to be saving the planet.

Angryresister · 14/12/2019 18:02

Jackie H doing sterling work there with legal stuff.

RubyViolet · 14/12/2019 17:38

There are some people living in an alternative reality to put it politely. They thought they were succeeding in bending our will, to make us believe in it too.
It’s clear that Women are just not having it.
Keep going Green Women.

aHintOfPercy · 14/12/2019 15:47

The parties are waking up and realising they've alienated a lot of women voters with their self ID/trans rights stance and their attacks on women who raise concerns. They dont really give a toss about women and women's rights being trampled over, they just want our votes.

teawamutu · 14/12/2019 15:45

I've just rejoined Labour in the same spirit, Beyond.

BeyondVotesForFlube · 14/12/2019 15:35

I'm one of the women who upped and left - I'm almost convinced enough recently to rejoin and continue the fight from the inside. Give it a few more weeks...puuuullll....

MrsSnippyPants · 14/12/2019 15:33

The Green Party as a whole are still sticking to their guns. As far as I am aware, this is a group of women attempting to change the party's policies from within.

Though given the vitriol on that page from actual GP members and even office holders it is no wonder so many women just up and leave.

They are very brave. Merely asking people to stop using insulting and dehumanising language seems to have made some people very very angry.

chilling19 · 14/12/2019 15:31

Well I read the FB comments and have to say that the woman who is running the page displayed a lot of patience. In doing so she allowed the insanity to emerge, and the rage exhibited by the TRAs. They simply cannot deal with being told no.

Coyoacan · 14/12/2019 14:56

It's never too late for people to realise that something has gone terribly wrong.

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