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Lord Ashcroft polls: How Britain voted and why

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NonnyMouse1337 · 14/12/2019 08:58

I've always found the Lord Ashcroft polls interesting. Although he is a Tory, he does a good job of being impartial and gathering valuable data and stats.

Someone posted about his work in another thread, but it's buried under all the conversations, so I've decided to put it in a separate thread for discussion.

Maybe it's not particularly suited to a feminist forum but since we are currently having discussions around the election results, it seems like a reasonable thing to post.

lordashcroftpolls.com/2019/12/how-britain-voted-and-why-my-2019-general-election-post-vote-poll/

As a complete amateur, I've been looking at the very first graph and wondering.....

  • We know this election has been a sort of re-run of the Brexit referendum, so let's assume a vote for Conservative or Brexit Party is most likely a vote for Leave.

  • A vote for LibDem, SNP, Green or Labour is generally a vote for Remain or at least a fairly soft Brexit.

I say this because the very last graph asks how people would vote if Brexit wasn't an issue and most voters would still stick to their choices, so although a small percentage would move around, I'm naively going with a simple correlation between elected party and view on Brexit.
I'm ignoring the Other category as it seems like a random bunch that could be either Leave or Remain.

Would that be a correct way of looking at the data?

With that in mind....

Conservative and Brexit got 47% while Labour, LD, SNP, Green got 52%.
Seems like overall there's no desire for Brexit or a particularly hard one?

Men are more likely to vote Conservative than Labour.
The male vote is 50% for Conservative and Brexit; and 49% for Labour, LD, SNP, Green.

The female vote is 44% for Conservative and Brexit; and 54% for Labour, LD, SNP, Green.

Every age group apart from 55 onwards shows more support for Labour, LD, SNP, Green than Conservative + Brexit.

I could not find an explanation of what the codes for the socioeconomic groups were, but of the four types, only the C2 category has more votes for Conservative and Brexit Party.

If we ignore the Leave/Remain angle entirely, it still begs the question of why the Conservatives have such a large number of seats and are hailed as the party with a mandate to lead the country when the vast majority do not want them or their policies? How is this democratic?

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Rosehip345 · 14/12/2019 10:16

I voted Lib Dem as a remainer, but would have otherwise voted Conservative.

I think results would have been similar but closer if Brexit was not on the table.
Current labour is far left, current Tory is very right. Leaving nothing in between and these voters split or disillusioned.

DippyAvocado · 14/12/2019 10:09

Interesting statistics about women voters. My DM has voted Tory all her life but for the first time didn't vote as she can't stand BJ. Looks like he doesn't need women voters though.

TheShoesa · 14/12/2019 10:06

I was just having a look for past election results and came across this, you can download the full report which you might find interesting, if you like tables and graphs (I do!)

researchbriefings.parliament.uk/ResearchBriefing/Summary/CBP-7529

NonnyMouse1337 · 14/12/2019 09:39

Good point! Poor wording on my part. Definitely not a vast majority!

But why does a minority get to override a majority? I get that the FPTP system is designed to do that, but why do we support this concept that a minority get to override a majority?

People should be able to vote for who represents them best, so why are we unable to find a healthy mix of parties from the range of political views according to their proportion?

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SwimmingCait · 14/12/2019 09:16

I'm a staunch remainer Mrs Snippypants and I wouldn't consider that a vast majority either.

MrsSnippyPants · 14/12/2019 09:11

Also, it’s funny how you say 52 v 47 is a ‘vast majority’.

Irony, much? Leavers might have an opinion on that use of language.

MrsSnippyPants · 14/12/2019 09:09

Because our system does not work that way! The person with the most votes in a constituency wins the seat, it’s simple.

What you are essentially saying is that a particular football team didn’t actually win the Premier League because all the teams below them had more points if you added them together.

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