How would you feel about this? Barking up the wrong tree?

If he is worried about taking a stand on women's rights, we also need a strong voice on freedom of speech and academic freedom as well as a defender of our right as a stakeholder group to take part in a public process of scrutinizing a law proposal that affects our rights without needing to hire security or endure threats of violence or vandalism.

That's a good point.

As well as MPs challenging the ideology, we need them to get behind even being allowed to challenge it. He could start there.

All women in society lose out if self-id is enshrined in law. Those who oppose abortion, those who oppose same-sex marriage and those who hold conservative views around the roles of the sexes - these women have as much to lose as those on the other side of these debates.

Your MP has every right to stand up for these most basic rights we have as women - the right to organise as a sex around common interests arising from our sex and the right to legal set asides on the basis of our sex (spaces, sports, services).

These rights transcend the abortion debate, they transcend the same-sex marriage debate and they transcend the sex roles and sex stereotypes debates.

If your MP wants to champion the right of an elderly female relative to receive care only from female staff. Or the right of my 14year old nieces to set boundaries around their own bodies, especially when they are in a state of undress. Or the right for my nieces to assert their boundaries against any male, no matter how they identify. Or the right for my underage family member to access MH support long before cross-sex-hormones.

Then I say excellent choice and he is welcome to fight this issue alongside us.

If he is worried about taking a stand on women's rights, we also need a strong voice on freedom of speech and academic freedom as well as a defender of our right as a stakeholder group to take part in a public process of scrutinizing a law proposal that affects our rights without needing to hire security or endure threats of violence or vandalism.

It sounds to me like the advantages of another mp speaking about this outweigh the negatives that have been mentioned. In the debate that David tc Davis organised he stood there completely alone. The government is Conservative. The right of the party is currently powerful within it. That's the world we are in and we need to work with it.

I assume he knows David tc Davis - he should speak to him. There was also a Lincolnshire Conservative mp who wrote about this in the local press.

This is an issue that crosses all political spheres. We can work together on one issue and disagree on others. Before Republicans in the US went extreme right wing, they used to team up with Democrats on bi-partisan bills all the time.

I don’t understand the concern after him being right-wing or conservative. He doesn’t need to win over the woke, or twitter, mainstream media, the left or even the centre ground; he just needs to win over conservation MPs.

She doesn’t need to warn him how his anti women voting record might effect him. He’s an adult not a baby and presumably he’s well aware of how politics works being a seasoned mp. Women don’t need to baby men and do their work for them.

We need to lose the concept of moral purity. We are where we are because we have one party that is obsessed with winning at all costs regardless of what is right, and one that is obsessed with being right at all costs regardless of whether they win. Both attitudes are ultimately damaging.

Brilliant, incisive summing up, Doobi

He needs to spend time learning everything we know and working out how to express his concerns without coming over like some religious bigot or sexist dinosaur. And he really does need to have distinguish between sex, gender and sexuality and the difference between LGB and T and Q.

Ideally he needs to be briefed in detail, and rehearsed, by the women who have been publicly standing up against the trans movement for the last few years – the WPUK women etc. The moment he starts bellowing about deviants and confusing LGB people with T and Q and non-binary, he'll be lost. So he'll need a lot of intensive training before he starts taking this on. Who knows, it might make a feminist of him!

Go for it OP. The one thing we do know is that countless MPs are now aware if this and what a shitstorm it has become. All the revelations from the Tavistock are enough to persuade the most timid of people that there is something wrong. This Mail article from yesterday would be a good place to start because every parent understands how vulnerable children are to grooming / persuasion and the issue of children being able to give informed consent is straightforward to argue:

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-7785275/NHS-prescribing-hormone-blocking-drugs-children-young-three.html

Also interesting the idea of him teaming up with someone more moderate. Sadly I feel that any likely moderate I could think of would be too scared of the backlash

OP, I don't know how these things work, but would it be worth him getting in touch with James Kirkup, to sound him out about MPs he knows who might be a little more sympathetic?

Kirkup might be willing to approach an MP who he knows would understand, and sound him/her out.

It's incredibly frustrating, because it will only take a couple. Most people think this ideology is bonkers. But backbone location requires like minded friends.

I'd go for it, OP. If he approaches the issue with confidence, that may encourage more moderate members to back him up. Safety in numbers and all that. After the recent Swinson debacle, the time is clearly right to bring this into mainstream debate.

OP, I would be happy for anyone to get involved and expose Stonewall and Mermaids and trans ideology for what it is. It would make your MP's name: there is little public support for trans ideology as the Denton's report acknowledges. Women in the US, Canada and New Zealand are looking to the UK to put a brake on the trans takeover so this could be a very big thing.

Up to you whether you warn your Tory MP that while many women and women's groups and campaigning groups will support any investigation into the trans cult, they will want to distance themselves from the anti-women track-record and far-right attitudes s/he holds. At the end of it we'll want to know why it took a misogynist to do what nice liberal MPs should have done.

I've been trying to get my robust and outspoken Labour MP to take a stand on it for two years now and while in private she seems GC, in public she's come perilously close to being a trans supporter. Nobody nice and liberal is likely to take this on any time soon and in the meantime children and young people are being abused, male crimes are being recorded as female and women are being attacked and their rights undermined. I don't care at this stage who gets this massive scandal exposed as long as someone does it. Good luck to you and your MP.

If he is the typical Boris Johnson type misogynist (for want of a better description) he probably doesn’t gaf about public criticism for being a git. We all know what a creepy baffoon Boris is and all the disgust hasn’t done him any harm. If this guys the same type then he might be the right type to stand up and make a lot of noise against self ID. Not being on social media might be an advantage because he’s not going to get scared off by the masses of woke bros supporting the trans activists and back off. It also means he won’t get caught being wound up by them and saying something dickish and be discredited immediately. So his speaking up might last long enough for the less anti women tories yo add their voice, and other mps, especially as JS has made the pro self ID stance look like the loony option, so anyone voicing a reasoned argument in the after math will be compared to her interviews, which makes it easy for him to look good- even if it’s just long enough for the other mps to speak up. Plus the journos are currently speaking up more confidently now against self ID and the public is way more aware than previous, and those of us who get it have plenty of reasonable rational easy to make points we can counter the numpties with. We need to stop acting like social media hive mind represents the country, the number of times tories get in show that, huge groups of the electorate don’t use social media much (generalisation of course but I doubt many older women are out there on twitter thinking about this, but would most definitely agree with an old fashioned Tory mp who speaks up to say no to men in women’s toilets). So the trends on Twitter are not what make up the country so we need to step away from acting like we need to convince them.

There is a potential problem that people who are coming at this from a conservative point of view can sound as ridiculous as those defending transgender ideology, and will do us no favours.

Anyone remember Gareth Bennett's outburst in the Welsh Assembly a couple of years ago?

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-42343250

UKIP AM Gareth Bennett has been barred from speaking in Senedd debates in 2018 following a speech about transgender rights.

Mr Bennett refused to apologise for saying society could implode if there was too much "deviation from the norm".

Maybe rooting out incorrect use of the Equalities Act would be a good project/campaign - conflation of sex and gender etc and lack of Equalities Impact Assessments.

We need to lose the concept of moral purity. We are where we are because we have one party that is obsessed with winning at all costs regardless of what is right, and one that is obsessed with being right at all costs regardless of whether they win. Both attitudes are ultimately damaging.

Any politician who is willing to stand up publicly and speak out on this is important. You don’t have to agree with his other views to seek his support on this issue. And you don’t need to vote for him at the next election if you feel his position on other issues is anti women, but you can still engage him on self ID. And maybe he might develop some tiny bit of understanding of the reality of what women experience in the process.

Political purity is not required. I'm honestly not bothered what someone's voting record is or how nice a person they are or what paper they read

Agree with Michelle and other posters. This ideology is so bonkers, it disintegrates as soon as it’s challenged. It’s imperative that any GC politician speaks out now because the lobby will try to influence this government just like it has influenced every recent government. It must not be allowed to manipulate policies behind the veil. The only way to stop this is by challenging its agenda. Anyone who speaks out is an asset because when the ideology is this bonkers? All that’s required is public debate and media scrutiny. But if media apathy and political stupidity resume? That’s a serious problem

Half the North voted Tory. I think breaking down the "them and us" is probably feasible right now.
Being called out by woke types is not a problem right now, and he has the warm glow of the One Nation thing to bask in.

Basically what I'm saying is if there is ever going to be a time when a right winger is useful, it would be now.
And if we lose momentum (small m) then it will drop off the public radar and we'll have to fight back from being mean and unreasonable all over again.

OP, I’d go for it. The Tories have a thumping majority, they don’t have to care about scoring woke points or pandering to TRA activists. I can’t think of anyone MORE likely to fearlessly stand up to this antiscientific trendy ideology than a right wing Tory!
I also agree with the consensus on here, that it would be wise to encourage him to align with some moderates, just so his statements can’t be dismissed as “extremist dinosaur” views.
He will surely see that he’s singing to the choir when airing this issue - I can’t imagine any Tory matrons want all men given free access to their changing rooms and loos via self ID.
Not to mention the thought of children being put on unlicensed damaging puberty blockers by the NHS, with the threat of future class action lawsuits costing the taxpayer millions in compensation.

Every additional MP etc who gets on board with this will not have all the answers, approaches and knowledge - especially compared with posters on here. But we still need them - even if they're at the most basic level of simply knowing that as a man they don't want to share toilets or a hospital ward with women.
That's been one of the problems - the issues are complex and in the face of relentless intimidation and threats, too many people are afraid to speak out. And that's why we need a critical mass.

I can feel myself fence sitting here. I desperately want an MP to start opening the curtains and letting in the sunlight. But if they are an absolute raging misogynist?

OP, can he, or she, sound out someone else, who could lend them some cred?

I expect someone in a position of public responsibility to realise that removing all services from some women to provide additional choice of services for males, removing the rights of female people to congregate and organise for any reason without the supervision of males, removing the right of female people to identify themselves as a sex class and have a voice as a group in law, and removing safeguarding for children while waving through extremely dodgy lobby groups and overturning of basic medical ethics is not acceptable in this country

This excellent post from Michelleoftheresistance .

dratalanta why the automatic concern about Trans people ‘adheringto gender roles’ and not women? Why have you not said ‘it is considered to be cruel’ to expect women to stay at home, bring up children, look pretty and stay out of the board room?