Conservative landslide - how are we feeling as feminists?

Lisa M was dead right - the current left are a group of people who identify as the representatives of the working class. So when the working class say 'fuck off, you don't represent us' then obviously the working class must have it wrong. Because we must respect people's identities.

I will love Lisa forever for giving me the sentence I identify as your representation. Bang fucking (cos I can't stop swearing when I talk about these fools) on.

lang is ok. 🙋‍♀️

I love you, Lang

Rightbackatcha! Although why I bother, I don't know! Very next post, more of the same.

I am so angry at the lack of proper introspection even now in some quarters. Some people on the left seem to believe it is the electorate who should resign...

Pencils I saw that thread, it’s quite incredible. The current Labour Party is convinced of its moral superiority. This moral certainty is accompanied by vitriolic abuse of any dissenter. I understand why you’re concerned about the lack of introspection. If Labour aren’t able to analyse why they have lost so catastrophically, without calling voters thick racists, they won’t be able to extricate themselves from this quagmire.

There is a thread elsewhere on MN where people are posting, apparently quite seriously, that they will now stop donating to food banks because poor people voted tory so fuck em.

I won't link because posters there have made it clear they don't want any political arguments on their thread - it's a 'support thread' for Corbyn supporters who are obviously the real victims in all this.

Lisa M was dead right - the current left are a group of people who identify as the representatives of the working class. So when the working class say 'fuck off, you don't represent us' then obviously the working class must have it wrong. Because we must respect people's identities.

I am so very, very angry at Momentum and at the Labour party for allowing this entryism to happen. I am so angry at the lack of proper introspection even now in some quarters. Some people on the left seem to believe it is the electorate who should resign.

Labour lost because they are shit. We now have Johnson in charge with a huge majority and we have no effective opposition. That is terrifying.

Great post Lang

Labour at the moment seems to despise the ordinary people and be ready to believe the worst of them.

The high-handedness has been increasingly apparent since ‘97.

But LOL at Labour turning on Corbyn like the last two decades didn’t happen.

while you are all congratulating yourselves on aligning with so called marginalised Brexit voters

SinisterBum

Here’s a sample of the numerous constituencies that voted Conservative. Some of them have been Labour for over a hundred years. Bishop Auckland, Blackpool South, Blyth Valley, Burnley, Darlington, Great Grimsby, Keighley, Rother Valley. The latter had as its prospective Labour MP a 23 year old whose antics included demonstrating to keep a strip club open and calling women offensive names familiar to the trans lobby. Upshot? Rother Valley voted Conservative. The authoritarian, identity politics obsessed Momentum crew have caused Labour to be obliterated in its former heartland. If Labour don’t stop blaming voters for their own epic failures, their sojourn in the political wilderness will be prolonged

I love you, Lang

Relieved but it’s a hollow victory. A plague on all their houses.

To the poster that told Babdoc to move south, you are what’s wrong about today’s politics. She disagrees with you, she’s not coming round to kill your pets ffs. Shame on you.

It’s a shame the very real concerns of women who are going to be affected by 5 more years of Tory rule and Brexit, are being ignored on this thread, while you are all congratulating yourselves on aligning with so called marginalised Brexit voters. There have been single mothers, carers, parents or SEN children, some of the 89% affected by austerity cuts coming on here to say how worried they are and are met with a wall of silence. Are the only feminists worth noticing the GC feminists? How do you see that playing out?

I agree with this. Feminists only seem to care about rich women and their petty little nonsense.

so called marginalised Brexit voters.
Even now, more than 3 years later, not a flicker of understanding. Not even any sign of wanting to understand.

It’s a shame the very real concerns of women who are going to be affected by 5 more years of Tory rule and Brexit, are being ignored on this thread, while you are all congratulating yourselves on aligning with so called marginalised Brexit voters

Emotive claptrap. The Labour manifesto spent 4x the cash on cancelling tuition fees for middle class kids than it did on fixing UC for working class mothers.

Some of us actually read the manifestos. Some of us are actual socialists who can see through posh people LARPing as such. Some of us are capable of making calculations about the best way to use - or spoil - our votes depending on the constituency we live in.

You're talking to a forum full of intelligent and politically engaged women. Half-arsed scoldings from a position of obvious ignorance cuts no mustard hereabouts.

I think the fact that Boris is such an obvious reprobate makes the question of why so many people chose to vote for him anyway all the more pressing and it's unlikely to be usefully answered by writing them all off as thick racists.
Labour at the moment seems to despise the ordinary people and be ready to believe the worst of them.

Go and tell that to Momentum, SinisterBumFacedCat. I would quite like a Labour party I and a lot of other people will feel they can vote for next time pls.

Yep

the reasons for which people spoiled their ballots

Go and tell that to Momentum, SinisterBumFacedCat. I would quite like a Labour party I and a lot of other people will feel they can vote for next time pls.

And yet Boris Johnson insult and insight hate about Muslim women and single mothers and he gets to run the country

'Whataboutery' doesn't remove the reasons that people could not vote for Labour'. You do realise that the reason Labour didn't win was because its traditional voters, plus Scotland, had abandoned it.
The reasons that people on this forum spoiled their ballot were entirely valid. however, it was not spoiled ballots that were responsible for Labour's loss.

There have been single mothers, carers, parents or SEN children, some of the 89% affected by austerity cuts coming on here to say how worried they are and are met with a wall of silence

No, they haven't. It is just that not everyone saw the Labour party as the solution. Also what we saw - on here- were numerous people trying to shame people for spoiling their ballot, or for not voting Labour.

It’s a shame the very real concerns of women who are going to be affected by 5 more years of Tory rule and Brexit, are being ignored on this thread, while you are all congratulating yourselves on aligning with so called marginalised Brexit voters

Don't really require moralistic lectures. I'm well aware of the effects of austerity. The problem for Labour under Corbyn ( & under Blairism to be frank) is that Jeremy thought he knew what the disenfranchised needed and wanted more than they did.

I suppose the split used to be more industrial vs rural/suburban. So the former would include mining towns and northern cities. In the 'post industrial' age, those have diverged

Not wanting to be overly pedantic, but Liverpool, for one, was never an industrial city. It was/is a port city and an important commercial one too. Any industry was mainly port and dock related.

I grew up in a Tory safe seat, I live in a different one now (faux-affluent places with lots of grim council estates and farmland with million pound houses dotted about), I'm surrounded by fairly poor Tory voters and I'm not surprised by this outcome at all. Basicly....nobody in either place actually knows what the EU even is, can't be arsed to google it, they think Labour is a communist party despite not knowing what communism is, worry saying "black" is racist and still think Muslims are actually banning Christmas.
Meanwhile Labour supporters on social media seem to spend about 3/4 of the time telling each other off for not being woke enough, and the other 1/4 telling everyone else they are a Nazi because they don't meet current woke standards. Difference of opinion or suggestion that trying to force sociological concepts on people is a waste of time in a political campaign is met with accusations of racism and/or being told to join the LDs. It's embarrassing.

It's the Coogan brand of know it all arrogance that gets me. How dumb do you have to be not to realise that insulting a large proportion of the electorate on the eve of voting is not a good move? Just like Hilary "basket of deplorables" Clinton. Or the LibDems who turned members away for wrong think? But he'll have had likes from his mates in the bubble so that made it acceptable, I suppose. I doubt even now he considers it a mistake.

And yet Boris Johnson insult and insight hate about Muslim women and single mothers and he gets to run the country.

It’s a shame the very real concerns of women who are going to be affected by 5 more years of Tory rule and Brexit, are being ignored on this thread, while you are all congratulating yourselves on aligning with so called marginalised Brexit voters. There have been single mothers, carers, parents or SEN children, some of the 89% affected by austerity cuts coming on here to say how worried they are and are met with a wall of silence. Are the only feminists worth noticing the GC feminists? How do you see that playing out?

Just read the Benn speech. Probably the only time I've ever agreed with him. Pity his son didn't take the reasoning behind it on board. Tbh, I think too many politicians in all parties viewed the EU as a lucrative personal gravy train rather than applying critical thinking.