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Conservative landslide - how are we feeling as feminists?

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Cwenthryth · 13/12/2019 07:24

I feel very mixed this morning. So worried about what this means for public services, policing, NHS, social care, mental health services, housing, in-work poverty... all of which disproportionately affects women, either as those needing these services or picking up the pieces when dependents cannot access what they need. We now have an openly misogynist prime minister (we did before, but now he has a secure mandate), who won’t even acknowledge all of his children whilst slagging off single mothers, and has had the police called out due to neighbours fearing for the safety of his partner from what they could hear through the wall.

But there’s a tiny silver lining of it seeming that it seems very unlikely that self-ID would be brought in under this government, at least in the form the Lib Dems were touting for, so we are probably more secure on retaining sex-based rights than we would have been with any other result.

To be honest it’s not really much comfort to me right now.

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happydappy2 · 13/12/2019 08:10

Anyone with a new MP can book an appointment to meet them & discuss their concerns about self ID, rising numbers of girls transitioning etc etc. This is a good opportunity to make sure women are heard.

Cwenthryth · 13/12/2019 08:10

Do you seriously think it was self id/gender critical which caused the Labour defeat?

No - why do you think we do? It is, however, a vote-losing issue for a significant number of women, we’re talking about that not being recognised due to all the other issues the party has. Do keep up dear Xmas Grin

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Borderterrierpuppy · 13/12/2019 08:09

Nickeladimecandy why?

MurderOfGoths · 13/12/2019 08:06

It's shit, totally predictable, but still utterly shit. There's no way Johnson's government gives a damn about women's rights. Like they don't care about race issues, or disability rights, or helping those in poverty. I can't see it as a good thing.

Hopefully it will mean the Labour party will learn from it in time for the next general election - I'm mostly prepared for more disappointment though.

tilder · 13/12/2019 08:06

It's horrendous and depressing. Boris might know that women are defined by their biology, but that doesn't equal respect or value.

Neither Boris or Corbyn respect women or see us as equal. As for Swinson, well. Maybe some key stage 1 biology would help her.

I don't think there was a possible outcome from the election that I could feel positive about.

BovaryX · 13/12/2019 08:04

Relieved. I think Labour’s abillity to analyze these results depends upon whether they can stop externalising their failure and stop insulting millions of voters. I am very pleased Jo Swinson lost her seat. To anyone who spoiled their ballot in that constituency? I think there will be a forensic examination of why she lost and her idiotic position on self ID will be highlighted.

SonicVersusGynaephobia · 13/12/2019 08:02

Not RTFT yet but I'm gutted and also feel like this is the beginning of something. Or at least its hopefully the beginning of the end of aggressive brocialism. There's no doubt now that woke cults don't win votes.

But it will be a long, hard 5 years. Especially for women who are going to have to shoulder the burden.

FannyCann · 13/12/2019 08:01

I am mildly hopeful that self ID will be well and truly kicked into the long grass and beyond. There has to be one silver lining?

FlyingOink · 13/12/2019 08:01

Agree with other posters that Labour might not "get it". Also agree there's a good chance Boris won't go for austerity.
Laura Kuenssberg mentioned Boris "doing the impossible" several times over: getting London to vote for a Tory mayor, getting Brexit voted for, etc. And now he's turned safe Labour seats into Tory seats. How safe they are depends on whether he keeps them, of course.
And his ego is so colossal, the temptation to be the Great Statesman on Brexit and the Saviour of the North might mean that he actually sticks to centrist One Nation policies.
TL;DR : his ego might save us

SapphosRock · 13/12/2019 08:00

Feel the same as you OP. Having Boris as PM is pretty bleak for women in this country.

FannyCann · 13/12/2019 08:00

Good point NeurotrashWarrior
Though I think both parties are liable to fall under the spell of particular charities with little critical examination and give them too much support be it financial or public adulation and freedom to pursue their agenda. I'm thinking of the love affair every politician hoping for a few cheap woke points had with Kids Company. Who started that? I can't remember that far back, it's lost in the mists of time. Confused

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 13/12/2019 07:58

I did vote labour but am terribly glad they lost. I like my MP and held my nose and voted for her. (She won)
Need to now keep a keen eye on what everyone is up to..

Relieved but devastated sums it up completely.

Let's hope Boris remembers what he said just now about the quivering hands at the ballot box.

NickelADimeCandy · 13/12/2019 07:58

I am pessimistic about Labour getting the message that treating women the way they have will lose votes, because there are so many other things they can blame

True. Brexit, Corbyn, Anti-semitism

Do you seriously think it was self id/gender critical which caused the Labour defeat? That is a tiny issue outside the MN bubble.

BeyondVotesForFlube · 13/12/2019 07:57

As above, looking at the hopeful silver lining that is the influx of new female Tory MPs in WC areas.

Does anyone have a breakdown of the election split by sex rather than party?

Cwenthryth · 13/12/2019 07:54

I am pessimistic about Labour getting the message that treating women the way they have will lose votes, because there are so many other things they can blame

True. Brexit, Corbyn, Anti-semitism.

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Siameasy · 13/12/2019 07:51

I feel relieved that the hard left have proven to be unpopular as I found their brand of politics very authoritarian and misogynistic but cloaked in rainbows and hearts. I’m interested in any new Tory MPs especially female ones and their views.

NickelADimeCandy · 13/12/2019 07:50

Extremely depressed at SNP results.

teawamutu · 13/12/2019 07:49

Relieved but devastated about sums it up for me, too.

Hoping that Labour will get the message and try to edge a little closer to the centre - but am already seeing activists on twitter blaming the evil Blairites who brought them down from within/the MSM who smeared lovely Jeremy and didn't cover their 'perfect' manifesto. So not holding my breath there.

Daughterofmabel · 13/12/2019 07:49

Depressed

2Rebecca · 13/12/2019 07:48

Relieved. If Boris sticks with his manifesto spending commitments this isn't an austerity government and I am hopeful for public services as well as self ID on the back burner. Disappointed with SNP gains up here but hopeful Indyref 2 with Saint Nicola pushing for self ID is off for now. The need to oppose self ID in Scotland persists

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 13/12/2019 07:38

I am pessimistic about Labour getting the message that treating women the way they have will lose votes, because there are so many other things they can blame.

Looking ahead, Labour needs to sort itself out and go back to being a party we can all get behind, so my eyes are going to be on that process.

Tory victory = bad overall for women, one silver lining is that an end to trans madness is more likely.

MoltenLasagne · 13/12/2019 07:37

I think tonight's vote has shown the dangers of listening to twitter and ignoring the vast majority of voters. Hopefully it shows politicians the naivety of trying to implement top down changes that only a minority of loud voices want.

EL2019 · 13/12/2019 07:37

Hope that self ID is off the table, but Tory austerity policies are awful for women so actually scared of what will happen in next 5 years.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/12/2019 07:32

They decentralised education so it's a freefor all. It's now affecting museums and other educational providers too.

MrsSnippyPants · 13/12/2019 07:31

Relieved that we will now have time to get Self ID permanently off the table. A hung parliament would have been a disaster for that.

I will be doing some serious digging on these new MPs.

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