Conservative landslide - how are we feeling as feminists?

To be absolutely brutal no one liked Tony Benn until it was assured he wasn't going to have any power.
Who ever leads the labour party now will never be PM, their role will be similar go kinnocks in the eighties.

I lurk on a rabidly pro-Labour forum and any mention of Jess Phillips taking over is met with derision. Wasn't she the one who said she'd not stab Corbyn in the back, she'd stab him in the front (figuratively speaking)? Even if she makes the ballot, that would suggest she'll never get the support of the current membership. As a Tory voter myself, yes, she would appear to be a good choice but she looks way too centralist for the Labour mentality right now, I would suggest.

They'll pick a token woman to seem progressive, but it'll only be so she can keep the seat warm for the foreseeable; Labour has a huge mountain to climb to get out of their current unelectable position so they will be content to let a woman be the fall guy

Lang FlyingOink

Thought you might appreciate this superb speech by Tony Benn which I came across recently. Gravitas and wit echo through his words.

www.google.com/amp/s/whitewednesday.wordpress.com/2015/06/05/tony-benn-on-democracy-and-the-eu-20th-november-1991/amp/

What happens after a vote is on the winners. Remain lost. And the media were NOT remain. As Leave won, they should have brushed it off and got on with (whatever it is they want). And now, increased poverty and burdens among women is on the Conservatives. It's in their policies, and unless they start doing impact assessments on their policies I can only assume women in poverty is what they want to see.

Laurie Penny's tweets earlier. She might as well have typed, "Mummy! Daddy! The staff aren't doing what I tell them!"

I think the attitude of some in the remain camp has been poisonous, and has helped cause the situation we're now in.

Agreed.

but I suspect many Remain voters don't know any Leave voters and don't interact much with them.
I'm a remainer who knows a number of leave voters. I think they're mistaken, and they think the same about me, but they are neither ignorant nor racist and I also know that some of them put a lot more thought and research into their vote than I did.
I think the attitude of some in the remain camp has been poisonous, and has helped cause the situation we're now in.

Depressed. It hasn’t really sunk in. Briefly considered moving to Scotland. Then pulled myself together and rejoined the Labour Party earlier tonight, and decided to be more vocal/active about threat to women’s rights posed by various policies lab/lib. Has several enlightening chats with colleagues several of whom have been active in ways I hadn’t realised. Think this may/must energise me.

Well, they can take that five years and make it ten, I suppose.

Dawn might just get i. Now, when The Labour Party are at least 5 years away from having any significance, is the most likely time the men will tolerate giving the leadership to a woman. It will not be a position wealding much power, and it will make them look less misogynist.
And Dawn is good puppet, doing as she’s told.

The Tories will be looking for a few ‘easy’ things to bring in that don’t cost the government much financially, to allow them to appear socially liberal and ‘kind’ on.

Can’t see them pressing on with self ID after the David TC Davies intervention.

Dimwit Dawn for Labour leader? Might as well be, tbh, how much worse can it get for them, really...

I'm trying to not feel anything, if I allow myself to feel I just worry too much. Besides, the election was completely predictable. My main worry for a few years has been Brexit. Brexit will not be good for me in particular as a single parent with insecure low-paid work and very few rights.

I really don't care about self-ID, it's so irrelevant to most women's lives right now, the whole debate just annoys me.

Unashamedly placemarking

Hearing Dawn Butler throwing her hat in the ring for Labour leader...

I believe in liberal democracy and that to me means having the right to vote 'badly' or 'wrongly'.

Ultimately that means that whilst I have my own views understanding its not OK to shout and abuse people people for having different political views.

You have to know and take into account time, place and who you say things to and how you say them.

You don't persuade anyone to change their mind by being a dick to them. And you have to understand and accept you can change everyones mind. And that's actually a healthy thing when all is said and done.

We learn more from people who are different to us than just speaking to only people like us.

Again, tribalism. No genuine understand among the neoliberals cosplaying socialism that being able to deal with the elite is hugely important, and no recognition that they are sitting with the elite entitlement attitudes that are precisely what Tony Benn eschewed.

This.

It's like they're all channelling the worst Victorian/Dickensian ideas of the 'deserving poor' and the working class don't qualify anymore if the voted Tory. Middle class people wishing ill on the working class because they have been disobedient. Incredible.

And this. Bourgeois liberals have never evolved from the Victorian notion of "improving the poor". They genuinely don't consider we plebs as actual citizens. I mean, Laurie Penny's tweets earlier. She might as well have typed, "Mummy! Daddy! The staff aren't doing what I tell them!"

Paul Brand@paulbranditv
Hearing Dawn Butler throwing her hat in the ring for Labour leader...

Poota and they don't see the irony in their position at all. Noticed it on here last night. People saying 'i voted Labour because I actually care about the vulnerable' immediately followed by 'those turkeys voting for Christmas can go fuck themselves'.

There were calls to remove the vote from the elderly "because they'd be dead soon anyway".

Similar posts are all over LOJ's timeline currently.

I can't quite believe I'm reading people who claim to be socialists on Twitter vindictively saying they are going to enjoy the working class suffering because so many of them voted Tory.

It's like they're all channelling the worst Victorian/Dickensian ideas of the 'deserving poor' and the working class don't qualify anymore if the voted Tory. Middle class people wishing ill on the working class because they have been disobedient. Incredible.

Leave was "old, white and uneducated" except the large Lexit contingent, the non-EU immigrant Brexit contingent, the young people who voted Leave, etc. There was a shock, and then TPTB agreed to go with the simplified explanation because it worried them less. So they never bothered addressing the issues.

This is something that has frustrated me deeply for 3 years.

It's been part of the problem. There's a huge number of comments today about 'turkeys voting for Christmas'. Again. It's unhelpful.

How does it endeer yourself to those who disagree with you?

There is always a 'why?' in these things.

I remember my Dad saying he was voting leave because he was a Bennite Labour voter. That reason for Brexit seems to have been completely vanished from the conversation. It's all "Leave = ignorant Right wing bigotry"

Again, tribalism. No genuine understand among the neoliberals cosplaying socialism that being able to deal with the elite is hugely important, and no recognition that they are sitting with the elite entitlement attitudes that are precisely what Tony Benn eschewed.

I share your surprise, RedToothBrush. I saw a similar post mocking Swinson and saying she should just self identify as the PM . I responded positively and have already had a few likes. It’s as if, now that labour and Lib Dems have lost, women are now finding the courage to speak out.

Leave was "old, white and uneducated" except the large Lexit contingent, the non-EU immigrant Brexit contingent, the young people who voted Leave, etc. There was a shock, and then TPTB agreed to go with the simplified explanation because it worried them less. So they never bothered addressing the issues.

Yes. Plus Remain voters like me (actual socialists) who were Lexit in the heart but Remain in the head.

The bullying Labour and LD cliques have a long way to go before the penny drops that THEY are a massive part of the problem.

As an aside DH just showed me a FB post from a friend which read words to the effect that they didn't think it was right to have a go at the way people voted if the party could tell the difference between male and female.

Bit of a shock that finally one of our friends has posted something to that effect but I think the message has cut through more than I expected and to a wider audience.

How can you say you stand for something important when you don't believe in the most fundamental facts in life?