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Jeremy Corbyn comments on GRA - Pink News Q&A

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stumbledin · 11/12/2019 18:21

*Can we be reassured that the Gender Recognition Act will be reformed and fixed to ensure the safety, protection and validation of trans and non-binary people in the UK?

Can you promise us that this will be put into action, rather than simply saying you will, when you become prime minister?*

Yes, I can definitely promise that, because this is long overdue. We will reform the Gender Recognition Act to include self-identification for trans people – and we will make sure the voices of non-binary people are finally heard in our review of the GRA consultation.
Trans people will no longer have to endure invasive, dehumanising and lengthy processes in order to have their gender recognised. And we’ll also amend the Equality Act 2010.

We need to remove the outdated language in there, and we’re going to ensure there are proper protections for trans people against discrimination.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/11/jeremy-corbyn-gay-rights-lgbt-equality-iran-hamas-section-28-general-election-interview/

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JanesKettle · 11/12/2019 22:32

There is no place for women or Jews in Labor.

Dhalandchips · 11/12/2019 22:18

Oh god I'm so baffled! I'm in a fairly safe tory constuency that may just be swayed by the lib dems. I'm a lifelong Labour supporter. I just can't bringtself to vote for another tory government. Oh FFS!

MummBraTheEverLeaking · 11/12/2019 22:17

Yep, I too was going to say fuck it and vote Labour to keep the Tories out, but straight from the horse's mouth? I can't can I. Fuck fuckity fuck fuck. I'm glad I saw this now.

stillathing · 11/12/2019 22:09

Who are these non-binary people?

Well most of us for starters. But I don't think we count.

Smallblanket · 11/12/2019 22:09

Badger - you express yourself very well. They don't get it, do they? None of them.

Sexnotgender · 11/12/2019 22:02

I’m so sorry @BadgertheBodger that’s utterly shit. You’re so right, the fucking most oppressed/vulnerable stuff is utter, utter bollocks.

BeUpStanding · 11/12/2019 21:58

Oh for fucking fucks sake. Another one here who had just about managed to convince herself to reluctantly vote Labour, but absolutely no way now. I cannot believe it seems my only option is to spoil my ballot. Fuck fuck fucking fuck Angry

BadgertheBodger · 11/12/2019 21:43

Oh for FUCKING FUCKS SAKE

I’m disabled with a student DH and we’re fucking broke and everything to be honest is completely awful as I’ve just lost my PIP.

I was going to spoil, then the PIP decision came through and if it wasn’t for MIL we’d be looking at a foodbank. I had decided to vote Labour, basically holding my very cold nose as we’ve turned the heating down. I WANT to vote Labour. Desperately. But this is such an enormous betrayal I can’t quite believe it is happening. If anyone in the Labour Party can genuinely look at me on a wheelchair day with my toddler in my lap, queuing for a foodbank, and think hmmm...well, she’s only a woman so definitely nowhere near as oppressed as a late transitioning male, THEN THEY CAN FOTTFSOFAFOSM. I’m done. Spoilt it is because I will never vote for a Conservative government after what they have put me through.

I’m literally crying with rage and disappointment.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 11/12/2019 21:43

Oops - missed out a bit of my post.

I was looking at the voting record for the GRA in 2005 on allowing Marriages to Remain Valid If They Become a Same Sex Marriage.

www.theyworkforyou.com/debates/?id=2004-05-25.1521.1#g1521.3

Lib dem voted for so no change there. Labour (including Diane Abbot voted against . But John McD voted for ).

SingingLily · 11/12/2019 21:41

to stop Helen Belcher from getting a toe-hold on power

That's my fear.

I'll do whatever it takes to stop that from becoming OUR reality.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 11/12/2019 21:38

And John Martin McDonnell was one of 2 labour MPs who voted for.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 11/12/2019 21:22

Shit. I had just made up my mind to vote labour in spite of JfC.

I'll chain myself to the parliament railings if he gets to keep his word.

GirlDownUnder · 11/12/2019 21:16

”... and we will make sure the voices of non-binary people are finally heard...”

Who are these non-binary people? Who’s been gagging them? And aren’t they (the non-binaries) a bit terfy considering the binary has been replaced with the rainbow jelly spectrum?

I don’t envy your voting choices Gin

ferntwist · 11/12/2019 21:10

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Sexnotgender · 11/12/2019 21:03

My local labour MP won with a majority of

Lysistrataknowsherstuff · 11/12/2019 20:37

After hearing from my Labour PPC and finding that he is GC, I'd decided to vote for him (I live in one of the safest Conservative seats in the country, so Labour hasn't a chance of winning). Instead I've just emailed him and told him that JC has just lost him my vote.

Looks like it's spoiling my ballot for me Confused

merrymouse · 11/12/2019 20:37

But not if you're female. If you're female, you don't get to be recognised or have a personal concept or an identity or privacy or dignity or safety.

I don't want to have my identity pigeon holed and recorded by the government though. I find the idea horrifying and regressive. I just want to be recognised as human.

The problem is that without statistical analysis and recognition of sex, women's ability to participate equally in society is severely restricted regardless of how they identify.

In an alternative universe all the politicians are reading Caroline Criado Perez's book 'Invisible Women' and expressing horror that car safety belts aren't really designed for pregnant women. Unfortunately we are stuck in the universe where leaders of the two largest parties that claim to be progressive are more concerned about 'validation'.

bighairymumsyeet · 11/12/2019 20:32

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rodgmum · 11/12/2019 20:31

@MrsSnippyPants I’ve PM’d you. Couldn’t see a way to add a photo, so here’s the DM from him (scribbled out his photo to keep me a bit anonymous as to my location)

Angryresister · 11/12/2019 20:26

After a lot of wavering and discussion with my proxy , I decided to vote labour despite my doubts....but now I have asked her to spoil paper as I just can’t stomach this absolute betrayal. And yes I knew what was in the manifesto was contradictory, and JC is not supporting Remain despite declaring himself neutral. Let’s hope enough of us do it .but I would never vote Tory or Lib DEm now

Michelleoftheresistance · 11/12/2019 20:24

the assumption that there is a right not just to be recognised as a person, but to have your personal concept of your own identity 'validated'.

But not if you're female. If you're female, you don't get to be recognised or have a personal concept or an identity or privacy or dignity or safety. In sweet Jeremy's vision, women will do as they're told or else in the service of males. And all spaces will belong to males. All of them.

Fuck that. That isn't progress, and I shall be delighted to assist 51% of the population to get really, really, seriously pissed off. Bad law should not be obeyed.

MrsSnippyPants · 11/12/2019 20:18

Wow rodgmum if you feel able to share who your candidate is via pm I would really appreciate it.

The CUPWomensPledge has been totally silenced by a Twitter so I would love to know that candidates have seen it!

HermioneWeasley · 11/12/2019 20:09

I hate to say I told you so, but......i told you so

OvaHere · 11/12/2019 20:03

I've been wavering today. I'm in a marginal Lab/Tory seat which Labour took in 2017 by a few hundred votes. We've been drowning in leafleting here. Grin

I've had a back up plan of the Yorkshire Party candidate but Labour would ordinarily be my choice. I voted for them last time despite Corbyn and Momentum but not sure I can do it this time.

I'm finding it excruciating because I'm not thrilled about the seat turning blue again but I'm beyond fucked off with Labour and don't trust them not to screw women over.

The YP is as much use as a spoiled ballot to be honest but I don't feel willing to vote for any of the main 4 parties. My DH and eldest (first time voter) DS feel pretty much the same. Although they don't appear to have used the headspace agonising over it that I have!

merrymouse · 11/12/2019 20:00

ensure the safety, protection and validation of trans and non-binary people in the UK?

This is the problem in a nutshell - the assumption that there is a right not just to be recognised as a person, but to have your personal concept of your own identity 'validated'.

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