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Jeremy Corbyn comments on GRA - Pink News Q&A

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stumbledin · 11/12/2019 18:21

*Can we be reassured that the Gender Recognition Act will be reformed and fixed to ensure the safety, protection and validation of trans and non-binary people in the UK?

Can you promise us that this will be put into action, rather than simply saying you will, when you become prime minister?*

Yes, I can definitely promise that, because this is long overdue. We will reform the Gender Recognition Act to include self-identification for trans people – and we will make sure the voices of non-binary people are finally heard in our review of the GRA consultation.
Trans people will no longer have to endure invasive, dehumanising and lengthy processes in order to have their gender recognised. And we’ll also amend the Equality Act 2010.

We need to remove the outdated language in there, and we’re going to ensure there are proper protections for trans people against discrimination.

www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/12/11/jeremy-corbyn-gay-rights-lgbt-equality-iran-hamas-section-28-general-election-interview/

OP posts:
AppleTree76 · 12/12/2019 11:49

Good on labour , they have already had my postal vote!!

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 12/12/2019 11:35

If there are any I'm sure Compliance is at work on chucking them out of the party as we speak.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/12/2019 11:32

Yes, where are these supposedly gutsy women ?
Jess Phillips has a reputation for being gutsy, and not liking Corbyn, but she has been very waffly on gender.

HepzibahGreen · 12/12/2019 11:28

there are some very gutsy women in Labour who will not allow trans ideology bs to gain any more traction.

REALLY??WHERE?? WHO? ?
As far as I can make out Labour women are universally namby pamby and have been for years!
A lot of people this election are spoiling ballots. Some because of the gender thing, some because of anti semitism, some on the Right because of Johnson.

I think this year might see a record number of spoiled votes.

Datun · 12/12/2019 11:10

Really they’ve deleted Fuck?

IKR?

When all I said was

It's not discriminatory to keep a late transitioning male from occupying the cubicle next to my 13-year-old niece when both of them trying on the same 'angel' teen bra.

I now feel compelled to add that wasn't it one of the Marks & Spencer online lingerie section reviews from a man, who called himself a man, who reviewed the teenage training bra?

I mean, that's the sort of thing I was referring to in my post above.

It's always useful to have the opportunity to further explain, rather than just allow use of the word fucking to do it for me, of course.

Always useful.

CharlieParley · 12/12/2019 11:10

Sorry, I misdirected my last comment. It was for SingingLily, not the OP.

Cwenthryth · 12/12/2019 10:56

When someone referenced F word I assumed someone had been referred to as female and they objected!

Really they’ve deleted Fuck?

What the fuck @MNHQ?

EmpressLesbianInChair · 12/12/2019 10:43

Oh look Datun, your F word has been erased.

Are MNHQ - Mumsnet HQ of all people, Mumsnet the sweary site - really now erasing the word Fuck??????????

Has anyone warned the people on the sweary thread????

SirVixofVixHall · 12/12/2019 10:12

HOW has it come to this, when women are 51% of the population ? How can every party be so disastrous for us ?
Jo Swinson is a traitor to her sex. She is like a student, not a Party Leader.
Then there is creepy Corbyn, (like a pp I have never forgotten the pic of him with an arm around the bully of a women’s officer). Anti-semitism, misogyny.
I don’t know what to say about Boris.

What an absolute shower.

Pilateswife · 12/12/2019 10:01

I am more woman than European.

Sadly this election has boiled down to that purely for me with the candidates I may choose from. Damned either way.

SirVixofVixHall · 12/12/2019 09:47

I think we are all struggling, trying to weigh up which is the least terrible option. I spoiled my ballot last time, but this time I will vote.
Choices are Labour, Tory, Plaid. It will be a close shave between Labour and Tory, only a few hundred votes between them last time. I won’t vote Labour. I usually vote Green/Plaid.
So Plaid, or Tory.

Datun · 12/12/2019 09:41

Whoever wins this election, we will have to intensify our fight. The issue is now out in the open and going mainstream, so we may have a chance for a fairer fight now.

All it needs is questions and answers. Or non-answers. Or avoiding being questioned. Or refusing a platform. Or declining to comment.

Now people have the confidence to ask and the knowledge to understand, I can't see how the wheels won't just fly off.

Datun · 12/12/2019 09:33

Oh look Datun, your F word has been erased.

Yes. It's always so useful to observe.

A) women must be tone policed.

B) women must not be angry.

C) men are scared of angry women

D) I can waste the time of twitter wankers just by saying fuck.

E) the relentless self sabotage is very useful.

Santablobby · 12/12/2019 09:31

Well said Charley.

CharlieParley · 12/12/2019 09:27

So sorry BadgertheBodger Flowers I just cannot comprehend the inhumanity of how this country treats the disabled. I hope your appeal doesn't take the normal frigging long time and is successful asap.

The UN Special Rapporteur's report called this whole system a breach of the human rights of people with disabilities in the UK and if that alone wasn't shocking enough for the fifth-richest country in the world, that report made for harrowing reading.

As for voting, I too would like to appeal to others not to shame or blame or condemn others here for their voting choices. This is a deeply personal decision, based on a whole range of factors that is only for each individual to decide. All I would ever ask is that you take part in the election, even if it's just to spoil your vote. I grew up in a country without democratic elections and this is too precious a right to forego.

As for Labour - I would bet money on Labour not reforming the GRA. The internal debate is not just raging, but is raging at the highest levels now both within the leadership and the NEC. The commitment to reform the EqA is old, it's what my useless Labour MP (or more accurately her assistant) has been telling me in emails, too. They do not have any understanding of the implications. At all.

Whoever wins this election, we will have to intensify our fight. The issue is now out in the open and going mainstream, so we may have a chance for a fairer fight now.

To the OP: have never voted Conservative in my life, but in your situation I would vote for whoever can beat HB, too. Have never joined a party. Not sure I would. But am going to help my GC candidate's campaign today. Because we have at least a chance to have an MP who has taken a public stance for women's rights. I have to fight for that, however small the chance.

Giggorata · 12/12/2019 09:23

Well fuck Labour, then.

Cwenthryth · 12/12/2019 09:19

Oh I love Ian Hislop. HIGNFY has been an excellent antidote for the last few weeks, especially the extended versions.

Ereshkigal · 12/12/2019 09:17

In new Private Eye:

Jo Swinson's argument for self-defining as a Prime Minister

This sounds promising too!

AnotherNightWatering · 12/12/2019 09:16

Or even...
twitter.com/PrivateEyeNews/status/1204673910450593799

AnotherNightWatering · 12/12/2019 09:15

I feel the front cover of Private Eye this week sums it up for everyone. Sad
twitter.com/privateeyenews?lang=en

Clymene · 12/12/2019 08:56

Good spot Ereshkigal.

Corbyn is a wanker but he's not quite as much of a wanker as Johnson who is a thoroughly nasty human being. I can't see how any woman who calls herself a feminist can vote for him tbh.

What a utter shit show this election is :(

SingingLily · 12/12/2019 08:50

Commitment to Self ID confirmed by John McDonnell in the webchat on here on Friday.

How old does the news have to be before it can be discounted?

Six days? Six hours? Six minutes?

Beamur · 12/12/2019 08:50

Good spot on the dates being fudged.
Any legislation on this issue will not get through on the sly.
I still think the vast majority of people have no idea about the implications of self ID. Once they do we might see a more measured approach.

Ereshkigal · 12/12/2019 08:47

It's not true that all of this interview was from 2016. See here where he references the GRA consultation which took place last year.

Yes, I can definitely promise that, because this is long overdue. We will reform the Gender Recognition Act to include self-identification for trans people – and we will make sure the voices of non-binary people are finally heard in our review of the GRA consultation.

Clymene · 12/12/2019 08:35

Prick News wants GRA reform so I assume they are trying to persuade their readers to vote labour

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