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Please help me with links for local FB knobhead

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MagnificentTrousers · 10/12/2019 19:11

I've NC for this as anyone who knows me will have seen my interactions on a local FB page following Jo Swinson's recent interviews on WH and Radio 5, and a general discussion around the supposed ousting of the local Tory by tactically voting LD.

I've tried playing nice, but have been accused of transphobia more than once, and although for the most part I have been backed up gently by other women, I have just been informed by a man that he "personally finds the toilets case irrelevant because (to paraphrase), the amount of times a predatory man is going to get caught in the women's loos and claim as an excuse that he was feeling particularly feminine that day has only probably happened maybe 10 times in the history of the planet."

What I want to reply is "Well of course YOU find it irrelevant, you're a MAN and this hasn't ever, and won't ever happen to YOU", but I need a link/s to show him that his 10 cases in the whole of history is bullshit.

Or shall I just say what I wanted to in the first place?

I'm conscious that people who will see it actually know me in real life, but he's really pissed me off, along with another man who's asking "What's the problem with self-id? It's no different really to what we have now - how does this impact women? It's not like the trans community are all perverts, you transphobic bitch, this is what TW have to put up with day in, day out" etc.

I'm very cross - please help me reply intelligently and in a reasoned manner.

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theflushedzebra · 10/12/2019 19:55

*should say predatory men are opportunists.

NAMALT blah blah blah. Obvs.

ShesDressedInBlackAgain · 10/12/2019 19:54

Exactly. Are 10 women/girls acceptable collateral damage?

theflushedzebra · 10/12/2019 19:54

LibDems want to bring in gender neutral everything, OP -toilets, changing rooms, school uniforms....

Gender neutral facilities put women at risk. Full stop.

www.libdemvoice.org/lynne-featherstone-lib-dems-must-fight-oppression-so-no-lgbt-person-has-to-live-in-fear-59869.html

www.independent.co.uk/life-style/women/sexual-assault-unisex-changing-rooms-sunday-times-women-risk-a8519086.html

Almost 90% of sexual assault, harassment and voyeurism reported by women in changing rooms took place in gender neutral facilities. Men are opportunists. They will take any opportunity, and identifying as a woman is no hassle if you can self identify.

Maybe take this tack with him, rather than listing crimes? Keep it more general.

teawamutu · 10/12/2019 19:48

Ask him how many rapes there would need to be before he agreed there was a problem to address.

Ibloodylovewomen · 10/12/2019 19:37

Not all cases of sexual assault get reported to the police, let alone in the newspapers. And one case is too many.

MagnificentTrousers · 10/12/2019 19:36

@Artesia It's a shit-show isn't it? I think I'll calm down a bit and then maybe do a bit of both 'you're a man what would you know?', and check out the 'this never happens' threads so he can't claim I'm deranged.

Or I might just tell him he's a wanker, and tell the other bloke that it's not my job to educate him on the implications for women of self-id, because there's plenty of info out there if you are interested.

The jury is out on what I might do.

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HandsOffMyRights · 10/12/2019 19:29

The fact is men attack women and children in those spaces. When it's easy for them to follow, to hang around, to corner them.

So you need to correct this guy and make it simple. Penises are used as a weapon to rape. There are countless stories on that.

What we are talking about is men - however they identify.

HandsOffMyRights · 10/12/2019 19:23

It's happened dozens of times I'd say. The It Never Happens thread probably has about 10 cases max, but if you search it, the depressing truth is out there.

Does this twonk have a mother, sister, daughter, aunt, nan?

Artesia · 10/12/2019 19:23

Hello OP - I am on the same local FB thread as you!!! Personally I think your suggested “well duh, you’re a man” response perfect, but given the tone of the thread, think the examples suggested may be more constructive!!!

TheShoesa · 10/12/2019 19:20

Crossed post OhHoly I'm a slow typer!

TheShoesa · 10/12/2019 19:19

Is there anything useful to you on the 'This/that/it never happens' threads?

There are links in some of those

OhHolyJesus · 10/12/2019 19:16

Katie Dolatowski in Scotland

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/4002789/morrisons-sex-attack-girl-fife-transgender-katie-dolatowski/

This in Surrey

www.getsurrey.co.uk/news/surrey-news/cobham-public-toilet-rape-arrest-16839335

South Africa

www.thesun.co.uk/news/7356856/horror-as-girl-6-raped-in-restaurant-toilet-by-paedophile-who-followed-her-to-the-loo/

Yaniv and his predatory behaviour with the photos to prove it.

Head over to the This Never Happens thread for more or you could go to Menophilia if you want to gross him out.