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Jo Swinson told to wear a low cut top

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Mishfit0819 · 10/12/2019 11:03

Jo Swinson was just on this morning (I'm not a fan but do try and watch /listen to interviews from all parties to make up my own mind).

She was apparently given advice from someone in her OWN PARTY that she should wear a lower cut top to gain votes. Horrendous. She was trying to make a point to Holly about how bad this is, but then just seemed to laugh off the fact it came from someone in her party, that she's supposed to be leading!

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zanahoria · 10/12/2019 17:02

Yesterday, she said it was someone not in the election team

Coyoacan · 10/12/2019 16:56

I mean, you could read that as the LibDems and their supporters having quite literally forgotten that women can vote. It would explain a lot

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RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 10/12/2019 16:44

Aaah mish

I get what the problem is

I watched her on the bbc morning program yesterday when she said that it wasnt anyone in the party that said it

Wonder why she’s hedging now

Anyhoo...apologies i missed the holly bit Smile

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 10/12/2019 16:40

I wonder about Jess Philips as the first female labour leader.

There's plenty I disagree with her about, but, she understands parliamentary process and is an able debater.

Oddly enough, I've never noticed her breasts. Or the cut of her tops. Am I engaging in politics wrong?

SomeVelvetMorning · 10/12/2019 15:39

Idread a Jo, Nicola and Jeremy coalition more. What would Jeremy give away in coalition bargaining, I wonder?

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Could it be women's rights?

And Scotland. Labour has lost Scotland anyway so he couldn't care less.

Mishfit0819 · 10/12/2019 15:18

@RufusthebewiIderedreindeer she was asked by Holly if the comment came from within her own party, she floundered and said not someone standing but from within the party, if I remember correctly. I took it to mean a paid party member rather than just a random on twitter.

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zanahoria · 10/12/2019 15:12

I am wondering whether she mentioned it hoping it would get the headlines and distract from rubbish she speaks.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 10/12/2019 14:56

so just some random comment on twitter

I dont recall her saying it was from her own party...in fact im virtually positive that she denied that

Only virtually positive...

Birdsfoottrefoil · 10/12/2019 14:27

Or maybe they were concerned that she wasn’t sure what a woman was so were reminding her of the stereotype she identifies with?

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/12/2019 12:56

I mean, you could read that as the LibDems and their supporters having quite literally forgotten that women can vote. It would explain a lot.

Fraggling · 10/12/2019 12:54

I don't think I'm likely to be swayed by a low cut top, and neither are most women either.

They seem to have forgotten half the population again :(

As well as all the other probs with this that pps have mentioned.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2019 12:39

What is the stance of the other parties on GC issues though?

Feminists are difficult and dangerous.

Aposterhasnoname · 10/12/2019 12:39

Of course she laughed it off. Jo doesn’t believe biological sex exists, therefore sexism cannot exist and this was merely a jolly jape.

SunsetBoulevard3 · 10/12/2019 12:36

What is the stance of the other parties on GC issues though?

Melroses · 10/12/2019 12:35

Honestly? Anything other than his own position at the top or near to it. Don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

I don't think a low necked top would help Jeremy either.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2019 12:32

I'm hoping for all three of them to lose their seats tbh.

I will be very disappointed come friday of course, but until then I can dream.

RedToothBrush · 10/12/2019 12:31

She laughed it off, instead of making an official complaint about sexism. You know this leading by example shit.

Everyday sexism is a laughing matter rather than something that a party leader should be tackling head on and taking seriously.

The party has a massive sexism problem. Swinson only serves as leader to enable it.

Its been my feeling from the moment her name came up as prospective leader. Some bloke saying "we need to look modern and progress and to appeal to women. Get a northern woman in and we'll have it nailed and all sown up".

The problem is it doesn't work like that. For it to work it has to be a woman, who isn't placed as leader as part of a party's image and pr drive but because they actually stand for feminist issue and a women's agenda. Thats what women are looking for.

It has to be meaningful and more than skin deep.

Don't worry though, its not just the LDs who are playing this game. The next Labour Leader will be female and will do the same, because its all about image rather than substance.

And it will harm female MPs a whole in the process.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/12/2019 12:17

What would Jeremy give away in coalition bargaining

Honestly? Anything other than his own position at the top or near to it. Don't trust him as far as I could throw him.

LangCleg · 10/12/2019 12:16

I just dread a Bo & Jo coalition come Friday though

I dread a Jo, Nicola and Jeremy coalition more. What would Jeremy give away in coalition bargaining, I wonder?

Could it be women's rights?

zanahoria · 10/12/2019 12:14

" I get lots and lots of unsolicited advice,” Swinson says. “I’m not short of people telling me that I should speak differently or wear different shoes or wear different earrings. Or in one case, somebody suggested that I should wear lower cut tops."

“Not in my election team, but as I say, I do get these gems of advice that come to me,”

so just some random comment on twitter

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/12/2019 12:10

Or, you know, better policies, but that's just crazy talk.

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/12/2019 12:09

Precisely. Surely a debating coach would be a better investment.

Birdsfoottrefoil · 10/12/2019 12:05

It is really worrying who is advising her. Do they think her radio interviews didn’t go well because she didn’t have enough cleavage on show?

Melroses · 10/12/2019 12:05

You're right. I don't think it would help.

andyoldlabour · 10/12/2019 11:55

Anyone who thinks blokes like myself would be swayed by Jo Swinson wearing a low cut top have no idea.
She simply comes across as someone who doesn't have a clue and her voting record in Parliament is appalling.