Mermaids - need help

I welcome posts like the OP's because it exposes that for a large number of you the issue is just trans people... whatever 'concerns' you may try to cover up your prejudice with.

Well, be sure as you like, but OP was asking about Mermaids. Who I'm sure you believe are well intentioned - but do you think a UK charity should refer children/their parents to doctors who have been convicted in the UK, but who are still operating from overseas?

You don't really know it was sarcastic though.

Oh, I'm sure it was totally genuine and well-intentioned.

You don't really know it was sarcastic though.

But feel free to try and focus on that

Actually it probably explains a lot because someone referring to a trans person they have never met in that sarcastic way tells me they have an issue just with the fact that the person is trans.

How old is her E&D manager (what is that anyway?) if they 'transitioned as a child'? I thought that was a much more recent phenomenon.

But feel free to try and focus on that - rather than the horrific damage Mermaids are doing by promoting the medicalisation of children! Definitely more important.

Ha, sorry, but we didn't make that one up. It was taken from the #transgirls hashtag on twitter.

I imagine 'stunning and brave' is how the friend is describing their colleague

I'd doubt it very much. It's usually used as a derogatory phrase towards trans people on here. No one is going to describe a friend like that in normal conversation.

I imagine 'stunning and brave' is how the friend is describing their colleague. Do you know roughly how old the TW colleague is? Transitioning as a child, and remaining positive and happy about it, must be a really interesting (yes, brave) experience, particularly if it was some time ago - although how long have Mermaids actually been going?

I would find it hard to mentally put them in the same "category" (can't think of a better word) of gender dysphoria as say someone who wanted to transition after being married with kids, for example.

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The dramatic shift from support group to lobbying seems to have happened after Susie Green became a trustee... 🤔🤔🤔

From their website:
Trustee for approximately 10 years of Mermaids, Chair for 3 years, and CEO since January 2016

What I'd like from the trans activists sniffing around is links to the scientific research that backed this change in approach. Cos to me it looks ideological not scientific.

I’m hoping to peak trans my lovely friend who is a senior manager at a big (huge) organisation and recently sang to me the praises of her E&D manager, who is a stunning & brave TW who transitioned as a child and is pushing Mermaids as her saviour and an organisation everyone should be praising and following. Oh, how fun that was.

You don't know this trans person apart from what your friend has told you and yet you immediately add 'stunning and brave' in an obviously flippant way. They might be a perfectly pleasant person yet the tone of your post suggests that you have an issue with her purely because she is trans.

Being a "truly wonderful woman, highly intelligent and a good person" myself ( ) I think I'd not be too convinced by ad hominems. No matter what you might think of how she treated her child, most people naive to the situation would give the benefit of the doubt and believe she was acting in her best beliefs as to what would be best for the child.

I'd touch on how she has NO clinical or medical training - SG works in IT (and managed to store confidential data about their clients in a publicly accessable place online, so draw your own conclusions about her competency there) and seems to be only informed by her own experience and what she's been told by others. No non-dodgy data that I know of.

Child J was a huge eye-opener for me.
Transcript of the ridiculous training and REFUSAL to engage in honest questions at the event.
Plus the safeguarding links about.
If they were genuine they wouldn't be trying to push one single pathway at the cost of everything else and trying to shut down debate.

There are quite a lot of studies on suicidal ideation in LGBT populations, some of which consider much higher numbers of trans-people.

There's a review here (though it's possibly from a PhD student - buyer beware!): psycnet.apa.org/record/2017-31802-001

The sui stat is what mermaids uses to get parents to go a long with them. They argue it’s better to have a live daughter than a dead son, despite the Sui stat they use being based on around 17 people, not the 2000+ they claim. That’s a really important one imo. It shows huge manipulation. The NICE guidelines always were wait and see, I don’t know if that’s changed in the year since I checked, but any grouping advising ignoring NICE guidelines should be backing that up with serious evidence.

I wouldn't dive in with too many statistics.

I've had more sensible discussions starting from 'They must have a lot more faith than I do in medical practice! I'd want to wait and see whether this generation really come out of it well, given it's so untested.'

Detransitioners are worth listening to also. Loads come up on twitter and you tube. They are honest about how there was a lot of push to transition by older tw, how they were lied to about the reality of it, and how it didn’t make them feel better.

Tell her to read Miranda Yardley’s work. Also a stunning and brave transwoman who makes it clear that he is male, faces no threat in male facilities and that the self ID law is a horrific mistake.

Point out the Sui stats mermaids toots are false. The study of 2000+ ‘trans’ people is actually a study of lgbt people, only something like 17 of them were trans. With in that tiny tiny trans group all had prior knocks mental health problems, which obviously come with sui risk.

The murder of transwomen rate is also false, if a white man want to reduce their risk of being murdered then literally transing is the answer - the stats show it reduces the risk of being murdered and that’s before adjusting for how many of the tw murder victims were sex workers, and we know women sex workers are also murdered at a high rate.

Fair play for women are a good start for accurate stats. Lots of accurate evaluations of the research goes round on Twitter also.

sevenhex.com/

Seven is a transsexual TW who has spoken at feminist meetings on this and supported campaigns in Scotland.

Seven uses male loos.

Miranda Yardleys website is also the other extremely good source of info from the TW POV.

The Swedish documentary the "trans train" is really good as it also includes a trans charity showing some concerns - which i find is helpful if people are new and are wary of the bigot thing. It also includes some info from the Tavistock and some detransitioned young people.

There's a recent part two that I've not watched yet.

That’s an amazing archive link, KatVonHostileExtremist!

What an extraordinary leap over those two years.

When did Susie Green take over as CEO?

rogdmum yes, that whole keeping secrets from parents thing - it is so against safeguarding, just astonishing.

And sorry good cheer for the links. I added them to back up my arguments rather than for you to send on. If you get me.

Sometimes I wish we could just say "mermaids is batshit" and stick our heads in buckets of gin till the rest of the world sees it too.

I think in a social setting to much easier just to relate to a person and to gender stereotypes.

Why are they a woman....what makes them feel like a woman etc. Why it such a retrospective step to make being a Woman only about hair and clothes and tits. Woman is a biological fact in dna, it gives unfair advantages to trans woman in sports which is why historically we have male and female spot.

The inclusion of men in women's prize events ( even if they are only men for half the week - Philip Bunce) causing other women to lose out.

Sorry for the download op, and thanks for doing this. I've found speaking to friends personally a great strategy for fighting back against this ideology.