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All Hail - Justin Webb Today Programme

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SidJS · 09/12/2019 12:20

I know this was touched upon on another thread - but how great was Justin Webb this morning??!!!

Radio 4 Today Programme 1 hr 13 mins in - sorry can’t log into BBC to provide a link.

Yes - he is a man - he could do serious damage to a woman - that’s why we need female only spaces...

Today Program is finally keeping the dream (female only spaces) alive

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 09/12/2019 23:16

He was very brave to put it to her (and an audience of millions(?) in such clear, stark terms.

He's male. He could harm her is many ways she simply could not do to him, if he chose to. We all know it. So does Swinson.

somebrightmorning · 09/12/2019 22:51

So he said:
“JW: I take that point but surely, we are talking down the line, you’re not in the studio here but if you were in the studio here together, you could be all sorts of things superior as it were to me in terms of brain power, in terms of courage and all the rest of it, but if we were face to face, a male and a female, the fact is that I could do you enormous damage because of my male body, the way I am, that is a fact isn’t it, and that is what feminists say, that because of those facts, it is really important that there are places where women are protected across the board not by some individual assessment but just across the board?”

SawingForTeens · 09/12/2019 15:02

...and just to be clear it was a BJ quote, not DH!

SawingForTeens · 09/12/2019 14:58

Well, Boris Johnson would probably say "waffle waffle waffle... Sword of Damocles... waffle...Pericles...etc etc".

However DH says BJ is a devoted fanny hound, so he's got to know what a woman is. I am reminded of this quote: “They are like glistening wet otters frolicking.” Yes, he said that. Ok, it was about women's volleyball. But still.

dayoftheclownfish · 09/12/2019 14:57

I find it very frustrating that only Swinson gets this question. It's so fundamental - and I would just love to see it put to Corbyn, Johnson, Sturgeon et al.

MockersFactCheckMN · 09/12/2019 14:32

Interesting family history to Justin Webb.

Nice Guy.

AnotherNightWatering · 09/12/2019 14:19

but has any party leader apart from Jo Swinson been asked these difficult questions?
It's almost like Justin was reading this thread!

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/12/2019 14:02

Justin wants to know how we think the other party leaders would answer

twitter.com/JustinOnWeb/status/1204029997192765440

ThePurported · 09/12/2019 13:30

And Corbin has said TWAW. So somebody at the BBC, please, ask him how a transwoman is as a woman.

I'd like to know why he didn't say a word about the horrible behaviour towards women attending the WPUK meeting during Labour conference. It can't be that he is too busy. He found the time to talk about 'his pronouns' Hmm - is that really more important to him?

MikeUniformMike · 09/12/2019 13:22

I heard it, and it crossed my mind that they asked JS, because she is a woman, and that they would not have asked a male party leader.
She didn't come across very well.

SawingForTeens · 09/12/2019 13:16

It's a bit rich to imply sexism when JS has no idea what a woman actually is

You are right Trews Grin

Re-vamping the GRA was also in the Labour manifesto, I believe. And Corbin has said TWAW. So somebody at the BBC, please, ask him how a transwoman is as a woman. Or just "what is a woman?",
"why do we segregate by sex?"

Trewser · 09/12/2019 13:05

sawing The Lib Dems have put this policy front and centre of their manifesto so its not surprising they are being quizzed on it.

It's a bit rich to imply sexism when JS has no idea what a woman actually is. How does she know she's a female leader?

BoreOfWhabylon · 09/12/2019 13:03

He was great. I wonder if the Beeb will now apologise to Jenni Murray?

SawingForTeens · 09/12/2019 13:03

Yes the BBC is covering it now, but has any party leader apart from Jo Swinson been asked these difficult questions? If not, why not? Self ID is being used as a stick to beat Swinson (as it should be) but how would Corbin answer the "what is a woman" question? Notice that it is the woman who is being grilled on this every time. There are two male party leaders who are not even asked to address this. Or so it seems. Have I missed them being put on the spot?

Uncompromisingwoman · 09/12/2019 12:41

What is so shocking is to realise that we have got to a place where Marks and Spencers, John Lewis, parts of the NHS etc have removed women's rights to same sex changing rooms, health treatment etc at the behest of some very dodgy groups / individuals without any democratic discussion about the risks to women and children that this poses. Add to it the grooming of children in schools by lobby groups and it's a perfect storm. About bloody time that the BBC started covering it.

NeurotrashWarrior · 09/12/2019 12:23

Yep they're doing well!