Jo Swinson on Today programme now!!

I honestly don't know how they've managed to swing it into public understanding that trans people (and let's face it, they mean transwomen) are the most vulnerable in society.

It quite simply isn't true. The argument that male bodied people are more physically vulnerable than women and children is quite simply a nonsense.

I would like to ask Jo Swinson about the male children of mothers who are victim to dv. At present, they are not allowed in women's refuges past a certain age - precisely because their maleness could be a trigger to vulnerable women who are recovering from male violence.

It's understandable why this rule exists - but it does actually leave some abused mothers of boys vulnerable, not wanting to leave their teen sons with an abusive man, while they escape to a refuge. I think most people would understand that these boys themselves would be vulnerable too - growing up in a household with dv.

Young vulnerable male children are not allowed in - but male bodied people are allowed in, just because they identify as women? Madness.

'Vulnerable Adults' are already a defined group with specific protections in law and public bodies are required to have policies and procedures in place to accommodate this group.

Absolutely this. A summary of the legislation:

www.anncrafttrust.org/resources/safeguarding-adults-legislation/

I very much doubt that this somewhat misleading use of a term that has specific meaning in law by Swinson is accidental.

Has Jeremy Corbyn been interrogated on this issue? And Boris?

Corbyn would evade and refuse to answer the question. Boris would say that of course biological sex exists, and then make it impossible to ask any follow up questions by pretending to be, or possibly actually being, too thick to understand anything that was being asked.

(To be fair, the things being asked wouldn't make sense because nothing about this ideology does, but given its current relevance leaders should be expected to have answers ready.)

So it's #nodebate and all questions are transphobic.

Yes, and that comes across in the interviews she does. You can hear in what she says "how dare you ask that question you bigot?"

'Here comes the science bit...'

I just had to come hear and say well done to Justin. He had clearly read up on the issues and his questioning was thorough and detailed.

I literally cannot believe we are getting light shone into this issue like this at last. Thanks Jo!!

'I am not a scientist but'

Bloody hell, you don't even need to go to school to learn this bit of basic biology.

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Oh I think the fact she doesn’t understand sex will be enough for people to question her sense

I'm sure I heard her say she had two sons......how does she know?

The constant use of the word 'vulnerable' when talking about TW seems to be another attempt to confuse and conflate.

'Vulnerable Adults' are already a defined group with specific protections in law and public bodies are required to have policies and procedures in place to accommodate this group.
Many trans people appear to believe that they are included in the definition of 'vulnerable adult' by virtue of being trans but this is certainly not the case.

He was making the point that when they are on opposite ends of a telephone line her superiorities could be effective. But that changes when they are in the same room

And still the case even if he was not being wilfully intimidating. Just being in a confined space with a male bodied stranger sets off instinctive 'alert' messages. In most everyday situations we have learned how to compensate for this - but to purposefully remove sex segregated spaces, services and sports is an unnecessary folly - and totally unfair.

^I look at that woman now and just think "raging homophobe".
"Leave lesbians alone" - Magdalen Berns^

Lang, I really hope that this is Jo Swinson’s swansong at the election. Ludicrous politico

The "ffs" isn't aimed at anyone on here but at the situation we are all in
bellini,
Displacing biological sex with gender was a key aim of the GRA. TimeLady posted a fascinating link on this and I have written a post about it. The whole thing is quite incredible

Wow! Great to see her being challenged so calmly and rationally. Great it got so much air time.

The "ffs" isn't aimed at anyone on here but at the situation we are all in.

it’s quite revelatory that its proponents rapidly revert to misogynistic and homophobic tropes so quickly

Isn't it just?

I look at that woman now and just think "raging homophobe".

"Leave lesbians alone" - Magdalen Berns.

He should double down, ask if she has ever felt threatened by a male and then ask her is she would have felt mord at ease if that male said "don't worry I am a transwoman"

I agree Justin had to be blunt. Ffs be if the reasons we are in this mess is because people have pretended "gender" and "sex" are interchangeable terms.

@zanahoria - but really it illustrates it perfectly.

I don't think people get the whole thing of even now, a man can be legally a woman if he so chooses without a single alteration to his body. People imagine castrated effeminate tiny men.

Jo Swinson - so desperate to centre the XY chromosome, she's the biggest homophobe currently in public life

It’s incredible, isn’t it? The tactic used is bait and switch in an attempt to distract the interviewer from the obvious threat to safety posed by allowing men access to sex segregated spaces. This ideology can’t sustain critical examination and it’s quite revelatory that its proponents rapidly revert to misogynistic and homophobic tropes so quickly....,

" Anyone else think Justin saying "if you were in the studio right now I could do you great harm with my male body" was a bit sinister!? Good point but better ways of making it I think"

Maybe better better ways, but I think he has to be blunt, what else can you do with a fool who is denying the basics of human biolofy

We also need a breakdown of what trans is now put in the public arena.

Talking to a woman the other day, it is clear that most people still think this applies to people with extreme gender dysphoria who have surgery. Not as Stonewall tells us anyone who feels like a woman, regardless of appearance, - those with no dysphoria, those who feel no dysphoria to genitals. Cross dressers, those who are gender non conforming and have been mistaken as the opposite sex, those who are gender fluid so may be women on Tuesdays and Thursdays.....

Also that self Id does not mean someone who THINKS they are a woman/man, but someone who SAYS they think they are a woman/man. It’s a vital distinction, and I think it is problematic for trans people too.

The thing that most gets to me is the virulent homophobia of it all. This but lesbians are thumping their partners all over the place! don't let these hordes of dangerous lesbians into women's shelters! business is so homophobic it beggars belief.

Women, overwhelmingly, need DV refuges because of male violence. How many women currently in refuge in this country are there because of an abusive same sex partner? One? Two? Of all the thousands currently in refuge?

Jo Swinson - so desperate to centre the XY chromosome, she's the biggest homophobe currently in public life.

Staggering.

Why are these males more vulnerable than the above? Please somebody explain it to me.

Well they're predominantly upper and upper middle class, well educated males backed by billionaires who have a lower statistical chance of being murdered than other males so they're totes the most hardest done to people on earth.......nah, it's just a plain old lie. They aren't particularly vulnerable at all. Unlike the teenage girls they hide behind. Funny how Jo Swinson never mentions the teenage girls caught up in this most appalling of social contagions.