Jo Swinson taking calls on Radio 5 at 9am

Just manged to listen to it.

Why does the stupid woman keep going on about never being asked for a birth certificate when she goes to a toilet. She actually went on to mention swipe cards. Does she think the trans in the Lib Dems she has met are indistinguishable from women? She is really awful.

Yeah, but nah, Flo. Yes the LGBT Lib Dem twitter feed was totally out there in terms of general barking madness way before Swinson took over. But that doesn't fucking mean Swinson had to sign up to the madness. Nobody was holding a gun to her head.

And it's not just the trans stuff - the whole of Swinson's interview on Women's Hour was a complete car crash. She can't explain unilateral revoke in the face of people pointing out that even many Remainers think that would be an undemocratic move and the Lib Dems would be better off pushing for a second referendum, she can't explain her execrable voting record under the ConDem coalition, she can't debate her way out of a wet paper bag.

And the whole "but I could end up as PM" business just suggests she's completely detached from reality.

But mainly I can't stand the woman for selling out women's rights without a second thought.

To be fair to Swinson (yeah yeah I know but hear me out....) I don't think this can or should all be pinned on her. I remember threads about the LGTB Lib Dems long before she became leader.
Kathleen Stock has retweeted an old thread about them from September 2018, only a couple of months after Swinson took over. Sorry I can't link at the moment but it's on her recent twitter feed.

I can't find the dates right now but as I remember, the donations from Ferring Pharmaceuticals go back several years and began before she was leader.

Jo Swinson may be getting hung out to dry - and to be clear, I have no sympathy - but this stuff pre-dates her.

But but

How can Swinson try to challenge sexism if she doesn’t know what a man or a woman is

How can she square this in her mind?

well, I’m a woman...”

She should be asked to how she knows. And if she says because I gave birth, the next question should be so are you saying a woman who has given birth but identifies as a man, isn't a man?

But she might come up with another reason how she knows she's a woman. But I'd like to hear it said out loud on national radio.

Top marks Jo. Yes, you are a woman. What with having been born female and all, and the general impossibility of changing sex.

But what makes you know you're female?

Would it by any chance be your female anatomy?

Or are you making that judgement based on a liking for pink and sparkles and heels?

Is this going to be the next version of 'But I never inhaled'?

Ugh. Regardless of your feelings on trans issues, hearing her say “well, I’m a woman...” and then trail off is just dire. No one asked if she was a woman! She’s never been challenged going into the ladies’ because she IS a woman.

Current protection in public loos if you see someone acting strangely is to complain to the management/security, or, ultimately phone the police. Women want to be reassured that if they phone the police/complain to management about odd behaviour in the loos then they won’t be told that they’re in the wrong. Men need to know that the authorities will back up the complainer.

Those who have a Telegraph sub - Blowers' cartoon today is a gem (all the party leaders in their Christmas jumpers - Swinson's is coming unravelled!)

Lib dem campaign managers are probably pulling their hair out at the thought of her next interview.

Why? Presumably they are aware of their own party's manifesto. That Swinson can't defend that manifesto is not down to her alone. It's down to the manifesto being indefensible. The campaign mangers should maybe reflect on that.

I used to be a lib dem voter

Twitter responses are heartening, at least.

On the disaterous inferviews scale, that one scores a 'Prince Andrew'

" She just doesn't come across well at all"

Llenty of people have radios on in the background, even someone half listening would recognise the sound of a politician dying. Lib dem campaign managers are probably pulling their hair out at the thought of her next interview.

Great to have this clip, though. "Doing a Jo Swinson" might just become a byword for evasive, subjective burbling ...

Well done Anna .

Hang your head in shame Jo Swinson.

knowhowufeel
Perfect. We should all practice this as a question and follow up when the woke start spluttering.
It's going to become my go to set of faux questioning with a tilted face...

Tweet about those stats:

twitter.com/fliss78143542/status/1203993044732829696?s=21

The question that I would've loved to have been asked is:
'What are the differences between Male and female?'
Also when she said cis and trans, I'd have followed up with only men can be transwomen, so therefore they are fundamentally different to women, and comparing black women to transwomen is racist. Black women have nothing biologically in common with transwomen, bc TW are all men.

I don't know how they keep getting away with this 'most vulnerable' narrative

Most transwoman murders occur where the victims, most often, are involved in prostitution, and killed by clients or boyfriends. But even then, the numbers are in the hundreds....whereas I understand that over 50,000 women have been murdered in Mexico alone over a couple of decades.1000 women killed by men in the last decade years in Britain

What is a woman is definitely the question that instantly exposes the idiocy.

It doesn't reveal the massive raft of problems, or why sex-based rights are required in a sexist society, or anything about gender stereotyping, what an inner identity means, or any of that.

But it does make people look instantly ridiculous. It's a shortcut to the bottom line.

Watching Swinson flounder and claiming that, despite the 6 1/2 thousand genetic differences between men and women you can't tell people's sex, is all it takes to reveal the delusion.

She is mental

Deary me this is just embarrassing now.

It's really very simple, Jo, woman-adult human female, female-of the sex class that produces large, immobile gametes.

That's really all there is to it, and no, the word does not include XY trans people, just the XX ones.

I'm cringing at the thought of politicians needing the birds and the bees explained to them but apparently that's where we're at.

NeurotrashWarrior that's terrible!! I'm furious about this. Hopefully there are stats to go on up until the point that T were included and any subsequent increase can be fairly assumed to be a result of merging men with women.

I don't know how they keep getting away with this 'most vulnerable' narrative.

The most vulnerable people in society are those who cannot work, cannot feed themselves, cannot look after themselves, have no agency and need others to do this for them. They are vulnerable to abuse, neglect, exploitation because of their reliance on others.

When I think of the most vulnerable I think of people like the woman in a coma who gave birth in a US care home, people in inadequate care homes with no family and people with no money and no means of ever getting any.

Exactly Bovary. Appalling.

She spluttered over the gender pay gap / Philip Bunce question too.