Jo Swinson taking calls on Radio 5 at 9am

I was missing the Monster Raving Loony Party...

I still find myself completely banjaxed at the fact that anyone takes this utter bollocks even faintly seriously, let alone the leader of a political party.

We're always discussing it so I should be used to it, but the claim that subjective gender feelings are more important than sex is just so ludicrous. Can anyone imagine anyone believing this twenty years ago? Or even ten?

When I was young the men in my circle had long flowing hair and eyeliner, but they made no claims to be female. No, they were very virile and sexy with it. I miss those days...

Is it me - or is she always in the same dress like a cartoon character?

The fear is real.
She looks terrified

I wonder if Jo Swinson knows anything at all about Joanne Latham other than that they were transgender and killed themselves

Doubtful. Women tend to be accused of lying and scaremongering while the activists care more about what pronouns you use to refer to the rapists..

Women were banned from Twitter for mis gendering Ian Huntley remember

Yes it could be Fine or a mix of both teams?

On a lighter note, has anyone noticed how 'Vicky Pollard' La Swinson gets when she is put under pressure?

More likely to be this lot advising?

lgbt.libdems.org.uk/en/page/executive

I wonder if Jo Swinson knows anything at all about Joanne Latham other than that they were transgender and killed themselves.

I am absolutely cringing for her. So embarrassing.

Answering my own question and assuming this is still accurate (August 2019) Swinson's team is discussed here:
www.libdemvoice.org/lib-dem-brexit-campaign-chief-to-be-jo-swinsons-chief-of-staff-61777.html

Names include: Rhiannon Leaman - Chief of Staff
Sara Mosavi - Head of Office, leading 'on things like policy development'
Ben Rathe - Press secretary.

I'm guessing that these are the people briefing Swinson. Anyone know anything about them?

Hell I miss R0wan

"Do you agree with your candidate Phillip Lee that transgender prisoners should be held in segregated facilities?

In fairness I don't think trans identifying prisoners should be segregated either. I think they should be held in the appropriate prison for their sex, as determined at conception and observed at birth, just like anybody else.

If they happen to be vulnerable as well as trans identifying they can be held in the vulnerable prisoners section of the appropriate prison for their sex, as determined at conception and observed at birth, just like any other vulnerable prisoner would be.

Of course most prisoners who identify as trans aren't particularly vulnerable compared to the rest of the prison population but that's by the by.

So again women are to blame for suicide now. Even when they were no where near them, knowing they had a different prison that they couldn't access made them commit suicide?

Do what I want or I'll kill myself?

There are some pretty heavy LGBTetc groups set up within organisations (to be honest I get the chills when I hear a company has one) and its who is advising and empowering them that is the million $ question (possibly literally).

yes but she says that this could have been avoided had Latham been housed in a women's prison.

Anyone know who Swinson's advisers are? Someone has got to be feeding her this stuff.

We saw with the tragic deaths of Vikki Thompson and Joanne Latham in 2015 the impact of forcing trans women to serve their sentences in male prisons.

And everyone with a brain saw the tragic multiple rape of the female that Karen White attacked having identified onto a female psychiatric ward to access her, and then the tragic sexual assaults of the additional females White was then given access to in a female prison while awaiting trial for those rapes. Those women's lives will never be the same because of White having been given access to them in situations they could not escape from. This is the impact of forcing female people to serve sentences in mixed sex prisons with biological males a number of whom are known sex offenders ffs .

Third spaces, Swinson. Think about it. You can respect the choice of male people to identify however they want, respect their feelings, respect their identities. Do not confuse this with removing fundamental human rights from people unlucky enough to be born with female biology while you hold some form of power.

If you seriously believe that validating male people's freedom of choice and access at any cost to females is the only acceptable solution here, then you should not be anywhere near a position of public office.

Didn’t they commit suicide?

Is it possible to listen to the whole thing somewhere?

Joanne / Edward Latham, a violent male who identifies as a trans woman, aka Edward Adam Brown was convicted in 2001 of attempting to murder a female friend, Sarah Smith, and sentenced to life in prison. Latham was then given another life sentence in 2007 after trying to kill another prisoner at HMP Frankland in County Durham. Then in July 2011, while at Rampton secure psychiatric hospital, Latham tried to kill another patient by stabbing him in the neck and consequently received another life sentence.

While housed in the close supervision centre (CSC) of HMP Woodhill in summer 2015 (a unit reserved for the most dangerous and/or vulnerable men in the prison system) Latham reportedly began identifying as a woman named Joanne. Prisoners held in the CSC system have usually committed further serious violent offences while in prison and exhibit dangerous and disruptive behaviour that is too difficult to manage in an ordinary prison location. In October 2015, five officers had to be present to unlock Latham’s cell due to previous threats made against staff. As there is no necessity for a CSC system for women in the UK, Latham would not have been eligible for transfer to the women’s estate, nor was any request submitted. The prisoner had a long history of self harm, violence and making threats against prison staff if demands were not met. Staff assessed that there was a risk that Latham might attack someone at any time, with the intention of killing them or causing serious harm.
Source Transgender Crime

Is she serious?

I hate blood sports... so should I watch?

I cackled loudly at the radio 4 piece this morning. She must have been on the gin by 11am...

"Implicit in all of this is an assumption that trans women are, in some way, more likely to be violent. It is just not borne out. I think there is a demonisation of a community going on here and I often find the media is complicit in that."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/election-2019-50711195

well they are more likely to be violent than women

Honestly, do they not even google the names?

Tragic death of Joanne Latham? As in, the suicide of the male person serving life for violent murder, who was too dangerous to house in any women's facility because of the nature of their crime?

Not the best example to give of a person 'more likely to encounter discrimination and violence than commit it'.

We know that the transpopulation as a whole are more likely to commit murder than be murdered, and transprisoners are almost as likely to commit sexual offences as not.

Hang on, Kavtron - Jo Swinson says this is in the CURRENT Pink News?

Are you joking me?

I can see a lot of words quoted, summarised thus: "Lib Dems, for all your state sanctioned rape needs"

FFS.

Why is housing rapists with women not a hate crime?