Jo Swinson taking calls on Radio 5 at 9am

These people speak in slogans, like the programmed vessels of a totalitarian regime. It wouldn’t probably cause them physical pain if they ever tried to deploy their brains

Absolutely. It’s the same talking points. The mythical butch woman who was challenged while washing her hands, the obsessive reference to a ‘certificate,’ the glib assertion that subjective feelings trump biological reality and the obdurate refusal to acknowledge that conflicting rights and women’s safety are inherent problems with this ludicrous paradigm.

You can listen here:

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000c5j6

I wish I had known about this yesterday. Did she say anything about fracking?

would cause them pain, obvs.

I want to be unequivocal & clear when I say that trans rights are human rights, and trans women are women, trans men are men.

These people speak in slogans, like the programmed vessels of a totalitarian regime. It wouldn’t probably cause them physical pain if they ever tried to deploy their brains.

Got this reply from my local Lib Dem candidate.

I want to be unequivocal & clear when I say that trans rights are human rights, and trans women are women, trans men are men.

So they clearly thought it went well and haven't changed their tone or addressed any of my concerns.

There's a great leading article in the Times this morning on how Jo Swinson has done everyone a favour by bringing the gender issue to the forefront. The Times now feels brave enough to essentially state the gender critical viewpoint in a leading article.

Here's a link for those with subs, perhaps someone else can do a share token.

[https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/comment/the-times-view-on-the-risks-of-gender-self-identification-the-gender-trap-bmb3r00vn]

^AiW: Thank you very much, good morning. Jo, my question for you - It's really great that your party promotes women's rights so please can you tell me what a woman is?
JS: [pause] Um, well ... er, I know I'm a woman, and, er ... and I think we do - we - we know - er, what - what we are^

Pencils, thank you for transcribing this. It is quite incredible that this stuttering, bumbling buffoon expects people to vote for her. Anna from Warwickshire did a great job of helping Swinson reveal her subterranean excavation of the rabbit hole. Swinson’s swansong can’t come soon enough.

What about those of us who think that a male person being in a space where women and girls are undressing is inherently antisocial behavior even if that person doesn't assault anyone?

It's possibly just me, but I thought that point was screaming in its absence iyswim. Surely everyone knows a man doesn't have to be acting in an overly predatory way to be a threat? "I was just asking her if she wanted a drink" etc

And also kindness. If women in every party were just nice enough men would stop committing crimes.

Maybe Layla Moran has taught her to see into people's souls.

Really the Lib Dems should be making more of this. Johnson and Corbyn keep trying to out do each other on police numbers, but the Lib Dems can fight crime with ESP.

I’ve just listened. I’m speechless.

What about those of us who think that a male person being in a space where women and girls are undressing is inherently antisocial behavior even if that person doesn't assault anyone?

This is why I keep banging on about EA harassment.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/section/26

The 'unwanted conduct' is creating a policy that allows any male who says he is a woman to get undressed or even just hang around in a space reserved for women to get undressed.

We do actually have legal rights beyond just not getting hit or raped.

Well clearly in terms of the gender pay gap, members of staff will identify their gender in, you know, company records to HR typically, and the company will then produce the statistics accordingly.

I bet HR can't wait to tell the share holders how they can eliminate the gender pay gap overnight.

If only Jo could explain her secret method for preventing crime before it has happened!

Maybe Layla Moran has taught her to see into people's souls.

What about those of us who think that a male person being in a space where women and girls are undressing is inherently antisocial behavior even if that person doesn't assault anyone?

is in any way kind of predatory or - um ... er, you know, antisocial, then the ... the institution, the gym or whatever it is, [you know?] the swimming pool, you know, should - should be able to take action on that basis,

If only Jo could explain her secret method for preventing crime before it has happened!

Does she know anything?

Thanks very much for the transcript Pencils.

There's a lot to choose from, but I think this is the worst:

Well clearly in terms of the gender pay gap, members of staff will identify their gender in, you know, company records to HR typically, and the company will then produce the statistics accordingly.

Anna in Warwickshire is a legend.

In the past, er, three days I have spoken to two people who are either definitely not or almost certainly not voting LibDem because of this self-ID fiasco.

We had a LibDem poster up. It fell down today, somewhat symbolically, and I haven't bothered to put it back up.

(Well, other than makeup, that apparently is a clear guarantee that you're looking at a woman. Which means I know quite a lot of penis having women actually, having been a teenage goth and grown up in the 70s and 80s.)

What, people don't just sort of guess who they might be able to procreate with? If I'm planning to shag a woman should I make sure I have the morning after pill available not because TWAW but because really who knows what genitalia anyone might have, it's pretty much random, no way you could possibly make an educated guess?

This is legit the world people want us to pretend that we live in btw. Your auntie could actually be your uncle and you'd never know because there are no visual indications of a person's sex whatsoever.

TRAs, who according to the Denton report, are working hard to get this legislation through on the quiet?

Oops. That ball is somewhat irretrievable now.

Absolutely. When I see a trans woman I will smile and be polite and call the trans woman Sarah or whatever name the person has chosen but there is a big yellow flashing light in my brain with Austin Powers shouting "that's a man, man". It's innate that we can tell one sex from the other. It's a pretty vital part of the survival of the species!

tenor.com/view/austin-powers-its-aman-man-gif-10702529

The only substantive part of Swinson's responses - gender pay gap - she got woefully, factually wrong.

Gender pay gap data is taken from HMRC records, not from whatever colouring in someone did on their HR diversity form. HMRC record legal sex, there is no self-ID. They recognise only male or female, no 'they', no 'X'. This is why we have been able to at least start recording the inequality and start holding companies to account.

I talked to someone recently who is involved with equal pay audits and she said it's impossible to gather accurate data for any PC that is decided on a self-ID basis. For instance, there has been discussion about the race pay gap and how to record that data. She said the highest paid race is 'prefer not to say'.