Jo Swinson taking calls on Radio 5 at 9am

Swinson wouldn't be able to see him. The picture would magically appear blank. Just as Layla Moran has magic eyes which enable her to see into souls, Swinson has magic blinkers which enable her to maintain her "this never happens, it's just scare-mongering" position.

She'd clap the telescope to her blind eye and say "I see no ships." Only less eloquently and with more umming and erring.

She has just been on This Morning. Holly challenged her on self ID. Jo did not make a good account of herself on this, or any other issues she covered.

I want someone to hold up a photo of a transwoman of the Karen White variety and ask Swinson what she sees, just to watch her squirm. And that goes for every other idiot spouting the same nonsense too.

Oooh yes, this.

She will say that of course they weren’t genuine and just a ‘very naughty um err boy, girl...’.

I want someone to hold up a photo of a transwoman of the Karen White variety and ask Swinson what she sees, just to watch her squirm. And that goes for every other idiot spouting the same nonsense too.

Who is at the top of the pyramid? It can’t be pop up groups working independently?

yes I mean why THIS issue?
Institutional capture.

TRAs got into every org, started influencing policies, shut down all dissenting voices, made it taboo to even suggest you mightn’t agree.

By the time most of us noticed, we were very far down this path indeed.

I reckon JS has lived in her bubble unchallenged for so long, this scrutiny has taken her aback, otherwise she’d have had some answers ready beyond ‘I’m a woman’ and ‘swipe cards’.

For all the businesses and organisations with LGBetc groups I want to ask - when was this founded and what other lobby groups do you have?

However, the policy will have been formed by members, and once it's there it would be impossible for a leader not to support it no matter how batshit.

Unless leadership chuck out gender critical members for being bigoted. Or rig votes by not telling people what they are really voting for. Hello radical association.

This is self-foot shooting on a pretty major scale (more like a whole leg).

Usually partied will match into a relatively ‘easy fix’ or big promise item. Or something that wither effects most people or a perceived sympathetic minority.

I think that if you exist in a particular bubble this is an easy fix for a sympathetic majority.

It's difficult to believe that Jo Swinson believes all that rubbish about being able to identify in and out of the gender pay gap, but then it's also difficult to believe that Boris Johnson tried to avoid asking a question yesterday by taking a reporter's phone.

Remember when eating a bacon sandwich badly was a major gaff?

Usually parties will latch... (autofill is a bit crazy on my phone!)

Usually partied will match into a relatively ‘easy fix’ or big promise item. Or something that wither effects most people or a perceived sympathetic minority. this has none of the above.

Who is pulling the strings? Who is making this their lives work? I mean, I have several issues that I am passionate about but can’t say that one would take over my life to the extent that I would dedicate myself to it.

@ItsChristmaaaaaaaaas yes I mean why THIS issue? Millions of people are struggling with universal credit, housing is out of reach for many young people, social care is on its knees and this issue affecting a few hundred thousand ppl is the hill they choose to die on??? It’s utterly batshit!!

I dunno how any woman copes with the cognitive dissonance of TWAW just like me but nobody ever asks them to do the things sexists ask me to do. No wonder the ones who pop up here to scold us are so short tempered, a constant headache will do that to you.

I'd have thought that, say, fixing Universal Credit might be a touch more important.

For the truly indoctrinated I'm not sure that there's anything the media can print that would convince them that they don't have the public on their side.

The strange things is that Jo Swinson was talking about being asked to wear low cut tops to win more votes yesterday, and some part of her must know that the person making this suggestion couldn't give a rats arse about her own sense of her own identity.

Did you ask why this has become such a big issue for them? If they were pushing for disability, pensioners, children etc then yes, brilliant! But for a minority of a minority which has dubious backers and cheerleaders...

They hoped I would rethink my position.

I told them it was nonsense as you need to transition from something. At least they know why they are losing votes.

Despite the party policies I decided I would vote for any candidate who would stand up for women's rights.

It's going to be a spoiled ballot at the moment.

I would like to know too.

What a disappointment Swinson has turned out to be.
However, the policy will have been formed by members, and once it's there it would be impossible for a leader not to support it no matter how batshit.
I don't know when and where this policy was created but I think that is where the answer to this lies.

For the truly indoctrinated I'm not sure that there's anything the media can print that would convince them that they don't have the public on their side. That's what's so disconcerting about them - the opinions of dissenters simply don't matter to them at all.

These people speak in slogans, like the programmed vessels of a totalitarian regime. It wouldn’t probably cause them physical pain if they ever tried to deploy their brains.

The people who the Chinese government pays to try to sway discussions online come across more convincingly, tbh. You could replace most TRA statements with a bot and nobody would notice the difference.

So they clearly thought it went well and haven't changed their tone or addressed any of my concerns.

I hope they read the article in the Times this morning and blush!

I find a follow up question to a statement like @testing987654321 had is ‘how?’ ‘What makes you say that?’ ‘Can you please explain?’ ‘How long have you believed this?’ ...