Jo Swinson taking calls on Radio 5 at 9am

GMB and This Morning have different audiences to Newsnight and Radios 4/5. Great to see the topic getting the sunlight it deserves at last.

Sal is even more of a disaster area on self ID than Jo.

Piers is now saying women's right have to be protected, they are entitled to feel safe. Piers is a boor but vocal and gets attention. He is on side.

I am not techy enough but if someone could add this interview to the thread it's worth a watch. She was completely on the ropes. Piers said why are you not standing up for women - you are putting the rights of anybody who says they are a woman who has not gone through any transition, merely put up a hand and said I am a woman.

Her name is Sal Brinton.

Piers interviewing President of Lib Dem's now on self id. She is getting herself in a real tangle. Piers putting across good points.

I thought Holly Willoughby was awesome during that interview. This issue has a way of bringing out the inner-feminist-Jeremy-Paxman that lurks inside many of us!

I just watched the interview on This Morning. Thanks for the link merrymouse.

She doesn't seem to have any idea about why a change of the sex marker on a birth certificate is significant.

She mentions this 3 times and suggests that she thinks this change is trivial and inconsequential.

"This is just about a change to birth certificates"

"What we're proposing is just a change in the way in which people can apply to change their birth certificate."

"What is being proposed about making it a smoother process for people to be able to change their birth certificate..."

Does she not realise that if a man commits a crime, and he is sent to prison, he will automatically be sent to a women's prison if the sex marker on his birth certificate says he is female?

Does she really have so little understanding of the significance of this 'trivial' change that she wants to push through? I'm not sure what's worse - that she has so little understanding of the issue that she doesn't realise what the consequences of her proposed change in the law would be, or that she does understand, and doesn't care about the effect on women.

Why sex not being binary (it is!) is used as an argument for TWAW, I just don't get.

Exactly. If you believe that sex exists on a continuum rather than as a binary, then it makes absolutely no sense for men to claim they are really women or vice versa. As soon as a man says "I'm really a woman, and I demand access to women's spaces" then he has admitted the existence of a sex binary. DUH.

Just watched her on this morning.

She keeps focusing the conversation on toilets rather than prisons and refuges and talking about signs saying men are cleaning the loo - the sign is there so that people can decide not to use the loo!!!!!!!!

And she goes on and on about safety through 'individual risk assessment.'

And then she laughs about being told by a Lib Dem member to wear a lower cut top because ha, ha, ha, it's just a funny story...

11.32. Compare the reactions of Holly, Philip and Jo.

It's the Emperor's New Clothes isn't it? We tell you there is no such thing as being male and female, so that's the new reality. No one is allowed to say anything else or they are not being 'inclusive'. We are all now things and exactly the same. Utter nonsense. If people don't stand up and shout about how ludicrous this nonsense is, I hate to think where we will be as a nation in a generation.

...to my (factual) initial tweet, that was meant to say.

It's their "gotcha" - except it's based on the delusion that women can't spot a man a mile off.

I was blocked on Twitter earlier today by a transperson when I said, as part of a discussion we were having about the GRA/self-ID "don't think women can't tell a male from a female regardless of trappings. We can, up until now we've just had no reason not to be polite about it".

It was also interesting to note than in their first response to my (factual) tweet, they went straight to personal insults and continued in that vein throughout. In successive tweets I was told to 'piss off', called a plank, too stupid to understand simple English, a bigot, a transphobe and a thick cunt. It felt like a very typically aggressively male way of arguing, interestingly.

Topic? Err...I hope Jo Swinson has a nice big garden, because she's going to be spending a lot of time there after Thursday. And Anna from Warwickshire is a shero.

I think only female blackbirds lay eggs.

In fact, I know they do.

Are they getting confused because in birds, it's the male that has two matching sex chromosomes (ZZ) and the female has two different ones (ZW), unlike in mammals?

I have a postal vote and always send it off well in advance.

I'm still floating. I've voted Lib De more than for other parties - and I simply CANNOT vote for this sort of misogynistic nonsense.

If you can't understand that humans are a dimorphic species then how on earth can you understand the nuances of the tax system?

Jo Swinson is a female at the top of her career path. I feel so let down that this is the role model for my daughter, saying shite she knows is not true.

No idea who I'm going to vote for. SNP probably, while they've got wee Mhairi "women who disagree with me are cunts" Black they've also got women who are prepared to say "women are allowed to disagree and debate their rights"/

It's a big vote winner.

That "bacon sandwich" election was the turning point IMO. Then David Cameron got in, and we got Brexit and Trump. Although Trump isn't our fault

We're living through the post truth era.

I've just read through the most ridiculous thread on twitter about why biological sex isn't binary and 'female' is a social construct. Not clownfish this time, but blackbirds - which is a new one to me. Sometimes this feels like a crazy sort of insanity - like it's not real. Like I'm going to wake up in a minute.

Why sex not being binary (it is!) is used as an argument for TWAW, I just don't get. Post truth.

Remember when eating a bacon sandwich badly was a major gaff?

Oh god, and it felt like we had hit peak stupid at the time.

I felt embarrassed for her on This Morning.

Bugger. She had a small majority last time. I was hoping she'd lose it.

I won't ask how we know she's going to be re-elected. I expect she has looked into the soul of her constituents.

Don't think Layla's going anywhere. I fully expect her to be reelected.

Yes, the more time off for Jo, the better. The problem is that all of them are woke idiots and not likely to change any time soon.

I am dreading Friday morning, whatever the outcome. The only thing that could make it fractionally less awful would be seeing Swinson and Layla Moran lose their seats.

I hope she has some time off after the elections and has time to think.

I think the issue is that Swinson is a fake feminist and women who had high hopes have seen straight through it.

Oh dear, I am surprised she is still going on television at all after the last few days. She doesn't seem to be getting any better at it - would have thought Holly would be a breeze after Justin, Brendon and Anna.

Has Dr Wollaston been on anything since Newsnight?

Not to be rude, but if you can't even win a debate with Holly on This Morning then how do you think you'd manage Prime Minister's Question Time?