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Primogeniture and TWAW

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EverylittleAlps · 09/12/2019 03:51

If Trans Women Are Women, no further debate, does that mean that if Charles were to come out as trans tomorrow, the line of succession would immediately alter and Andrew would have to be our next king?

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merrymouse · 09/12/2019 07:20

If Charles were a woman then Andrew would have male-preference Primogeniture over him.

No, see above.

merrymouse · 09/12/2019 07:19

Weird to think that there are still 92 seats in the House of Lords reserved for hereditary peers, the peerages are still allowed to pass exclusively down the male line, and that the 2004 GRA includes the clause:

"The fact that a person's gender has become the acquired gender under this Act (a) does not affect the descent of any peerage or dignity or title of honour, and (b) does not affect the devolution of any property."

TimeLady · 09/12/2019 07:13

Presumably if the oldest son becomes a transwoman though, you'd still get the Earl of X resplendent in the family tiara and pearls.

This is the smoking gun that proves no-one making the law at the time believed that transmen are actually men (or TWAW). I'm surprised it's not used more.

RealityNotEssentialism · 09/12/2019 07:12

Err no because they have already changed it back in 2013 I think. So sex doesn’t matter for the inheritance of the throne for anyone born after that date.

Plus there are various people ahead of Andrew in the line, namely: William, George, Charlotte, Louis, Harry, Archie (yes, I hate myself for knowing that). But basically your scenario would literally never happen. I don’t think you thought it through.

donquixotedelamancha · 09/12/2019 07:12

Andrew hasn't been next in line for almost 40 years.

I think OP's point is that that is because the line is through Charles. If Charles were a woman then Andrew would have male-preference Primogeniture over him.

However the 2013 succession act got rid of that anyway so the point is moo.

Also the GRA specifically excludes primogeniture so, no OP, rich people know what a woman is when it comes to excluding them from inheritances.

merrymouse · 09/12/2019 07:00

Andrew hasn't been next in line for almost 40 years.

ElluesPichulobu · 09/12/2019 06:22

the GRC legislation specifically excluded the nobility from having to recognise that TWAW or TMAM in any title or inheritance. obviously with all the main parties promising to reform the GRA that exception may go.

RiddleyW · 09/12/2019 05:51

There’s a specific carve out for inheritance. Which is hilarious. I suppose lawmakers think women would nefariously pretend to be trans to inherit. Obviously men would never pretend to be trans to get in a women’s prison though, completely different!

FredaFrogspawn · 09/12/2019 05:46

A trans man cannot overtake their younger brother to inherit a title. And a trans man can’t join the masons. A trans woman who was in the masons before transitioning can remain in this Male only group.

sashh · 09/12/2019 04:20

What a horrible thought. Both PC in a dress and Andrew as next in line.

Would make a great TV comedy though.