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Why Hannah Mouncey wasn't picked for the world championships

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Clymene · 08/12/2019 22:16

Mouncey says: "I can confirm that yes, I was left out of the team for the World Championships because there was a group of players within the team, supported by the team manager, who did not want me showering or using the change rooms before or after the game."

Good on those women who stood up against being forced to share showers and changing rooms with a male bodied person.

Obviously Hannah is feeling a bit aggrieved but is putting on a brave face: www.starobserver.com.au/opinion/people-will-do-whats-easy-over-whats-right-hannah-mouncey-speaks-out/190555

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Gingerkittykat · 09/12/2019 01:31

The changing room seems like an excuse, I'm sure alternative changing arrangements could have been made.

Whatever the real reason this is a good decision.

GirlDownUnder · 09/12/2019 00:56

Despite the fact that prior to selection I passed every fitness test given to me with relative ease...

I wonder if that was a male or female fitness test?

Also re the real reason Mouncey was unable to compete, I read this

”Yes, I would be playing in a World Championship right now if I had given in and accepted the quite frankly ludicrous requests made by the team manager both on his own behalf and those players he represented.”

to mean seperate showers, etc

donquixotedelamancha · 09/12/2019 00:35

Is it the self entitlement that prevents Hannah from seeing how negatively they come across?

Yes and no. I mean clearly she breathtakingly narcissistic, but that article read to me as self-knowingly manipulative- pitched to win over the credulous fools without caring that others will see through it.

I suspect Hannah is just a predator, enjoying the cover and the opportunities that the new definition of 'Trans' provides.

Datun · 09/12/2019 00:23

Is it the self entitlement that prevents Hannah from seeing how negatively they come across?

Anyone reading that will be, showers? well, dur mate!

donquixotedelamancha · 09/12/2019 00:12

I found myself wondering whether some vital piece of information has been omitted, such as that Mouncey would have been welcomed, had Mouncey been willing to use separate facilities, but refused.

Indeed, it seems very clear that the Hannah insisted on being allowed to get her penis out around the women on the team.

Hannah seems very proud that she doesn't care how others feel.

WrathofFaeKlop · 08/12/2019 23:45

I am not myself actively involved in the trans community, short of attending the Transcend Christmas party each year and speaking at events and functions that I might be invited to

Not actively involved yet speaking at events and functions.

This is the art of saying the exact opposite of what you actually do.

DamnYouAutocucumber · 08/12/2019 23:33

It's great that the coach stood up for the team not wanting to shower and change with Mouncey, but even if Mouncey changed somewhere else, Mouncey shouldn't be playing against women. This is about safety and fairness on the pitch, not just safety and dignity in the changing rooms.

PermanentTemporary · 08/12/2019 23:32

So from HM's account given there, HM was offered some sort of deal before they could play, something about showering, and refused it.

It almost feels as if... new practice is bubbling up from the grass roots where the referees, coaches and team managers actually have to try and make these top down rules work.

frazzled1 · 08/12/2019 23:28

"the reason I’m not liked is because I told our manager, and by extension those players, exactly where he and they could go in trying to tell me where I could change and shower."

Hannah the other members of the team understandably didn't want to change and shower with a member of the opposite biological sex - regardless of any internal gender identity.

GCAcademic · 08/12/2019 23:21

You didn't try to think how to 'be kind' as women are often told to be, then?

Yeah, odd, isn’t it? I wonder why that might be?

No doubt we’ll have an article on this in the Guardian soon, championing poor oppressed Hannah and calling for more education of nasty ignorant women who don’t want to see a penis in the communal showers.

Uncompromisingwoman · 08/12/2019 23:17

Good. In a world where women's identity, sport and spaces is being colonised and eradicated in favour of an oppressive group, it's great that one has been told No.

NO

WrathofFaeKlop · 08/12/2019 23:05

AnyOldPrion
Yes, it sounded like the coach offered Mouncey a way to avoid any public distress but...

JungeTraktoristin · 08/12/2019 23:05

Another factor is that for team sports, the dynamic and cohesion within the squad is crucially important.

The whole ‘I wasn’t picked because I’m not liked’ argument shows a fundamental misunderstanding of how team sport works - no matter how good an individual player is, if they disrupt the functioning of the team as a whole, they’re a liability not an asset.

InvisibleWomenMustBeRead · 08/12/2019 23:02

Absolutely correct decision!

littlbrowndog · 08/12/2019 23:02

I dunno prion mouncey talks a lot about showering and changing in that article

But hard to say as we only see what mouncey has to say

OvaHere · 08/12/2019 22:59

Good. Right decision. Mouncey should be nowhere near women's showers, changing rooms or sports.

WrathofFaeKlop · 08/12/2019 22:58

Mouncey et al actually believe they should be accepted into women's sports, if they're good enough.

People have been too compliant and too polite for too long.

AnyOldPrion · 08/12/2019 22:56

”In this same conversation, it was clear that our coach knew what she was doing would not be received well. Despite the fact that prior to selection I passed every fitness test given to me with relative ease, she assured me that she would tell people that I wasn’t fit to play rather than the actual reason just given. She even acknowledged in that conversation how well I’d done in my rehab to warrant selection if the change room issue hadn’t been a factor”

The above paragraph seems very odd to me, and particularly this “she assured me that she would tell people that I wasn’t fit to play rather than the actual reason just given”

Surely the coach would only “assure” if she assumed Mouncey would be embarrassed by the real reason and felt Mouncey would want it covered up.

If events unfolded exactly as presented by Mouncey, the coach would have no reason to offer a cover-up.

I found myself wondering whether some vital piece of information has been omitted, such as that Mouncey would have been welcomed, had Mouncey been willing to use separate facilities, but refused.

Anyone else find it odd?

StrangeLookingParasite · 08/12/2019 22:55

“PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT’S EASY OVER WHAT’S RIGHT”: HANNAH MOUNCEY SPEAKS OUT

Oh rly?

And the reason I’m not liked is because I told our manager, and by extension those players, exactly where he and they could go in trying to tell me where I could change and shower.

Hooray for reality.

You. Are. A. Cheat. (and a shocking risk to the other players).

ErrolTheDragon · 08/12/2019 22:55

Ironic headline “PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT’S EASY OVER WHAT’S RIGHT”

  • that's exactly what's been going on in women's sports until now.
Clymene · 08/12/2019 22:55

All I cam think is that Mouncey doesn't actually care @littlbrowndog. It's all about their rights, sod anyone else's.

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Ibloodylovewomen · 08/12/2019 22:54

Mouncey's sense of entitlement to women's spaces, and Mouncey's complete lack of regard for these women's privacy, rights or safety reminds of interviews I've read with INCELS. So strange.

littlbrowndog · 08/12/2019 22:48

Did mouncey kinda even think why the teammates didn’t want mouncey in the locker room with them at any point

RubyViolet · 08/12/2019 22:47

Big up to the women and coach 💪🏻

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 08/12/2019 22:43

Do that individual genuinely believe they are some sort of martyr? The entitlement in that piece is just unbelievable!

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