Why Hannah Mouncey wasn't picked for the world championships

But aren’t women told to be kind be nice and step aside?

I don't know who she is really, but it's clear she's an idiot. And unliked.

“PEOPLE WILL DO WHAT’S EASY OVER WHAT’S RIGHT”
What, like join a women's sports team for easy success despite having significant physical and social advantages over everyone else in the team, putting everyone else playing at risk of physical injury and denying a female sportswoman a place on said team to boot?
Loving the total lack on insight or cares for anyone apart from oneself.

Mouncey confirms, in Mouncey’s own words, that gaining unrestricted access to women’s changing rooms and showers is more important to than playing sport for Mouncey’s country:

Yes, I would be playing in a World Championship right now if I had given in and accepted the quite frankly ludicrous [meaning: reasonable expectations of sex segregation for privacy and dignity] requests made by the team manager both on his own behalf and those players he represented.

It is pseudo therapeutic language connected to the idea of self-actualisation, yet entirely twisting what Carl Rogers meant by it.

It's probably not the right thread for this but I have wondered a few times about trans ideology from a person centred philosophy. Carl Rogers did make it very clear however that we are also part of society and any actions we take also have to be taken in the context of responsibility for others and their feelings.

I don’t think HM needs to have behaved badly for the rest of the team to not want to share showers with them. They are biologically male, that is reason enough.

And built like a brick shit house.

"I cannot lie—it would have been terrific to have been able to provide the trans community with a visible symbol of the fact that progress is being made towards greater acceptance, but if society is not at that stage then so be it. That time will come, and it is only because we shine a light on these situations and use our own negative experiences to give others strength, that we will eventually make the progress we as a community wish would happen today."

Passive aggressive much?!

Usually when people spent time with a gay or lesbian player in the locker room, they came to realize it was just fine after all. Yet somehow this doesn't seem to be the case for this player specifically.

There does seem to be a general trend with this issue that more exposure to trans people creates less "tolerance" which is of course the exact opposite of what happened with the gay rights movement.
eu.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/06/24/lgbtq-acceptance-millennials-decline-glaad-survey/1503758001/

Almost like the comparison isn't valid.

It’s nothing like being gay or lesbian at all - the two situations are totally different

Lesbians are female and belong in female spaces as much as any straight woman

I don’t think HM needs to have behaved badly for the rest of the team to not want to share showers with them. They are biologically male, that is reason enough.

Maybe Australia realise that they can’t object to NZ’s Laurel Hubbard winning weightlifting medals, because they are biologically male, whilst allowing Hannah Mouncey to compete internationally.

I wonder if Mouncey has acted like a creep in the locker room, for this to be the case AFTER playing an entire season. Usually when people spent time with a gay or lesbian player in the locker room, they came to realize it was just fine after all. Yet somehow this doesn't seem to be the case for this player specifically.

Just find it interesting.

I agree chatty, it’s not related to behaviour
and any suggestion it does just muddies the water and opens the door to “But I’m one of the nice, safe ones!”

I refuse to call a man good or well behaved for not perving on or not attacking women in a team shower situation, but however a hypothetical man behaves in there, whatever he is thinking or not thinking, it’s beside the point. male people shouldn’t be in women’s showers in the first place. It shouldn’t be up to women to have to protest. Management should right away be saying, nice try but we’re not stupid.

Are the manager and female players going to be given an article like this, to share their views? Why wasn't it fact-checked re: the (irrelevant to sport anyway) murder stats?

I notice the picture of Mouncy competing doesn't show their true size and height. Carefully chosen?

Someone needs to tell Mouncey that saying they are prepared to throw their position on the team because they can't get naked with the women, isn't an argument in their favour.

Yes thanks Dance for those stats, I've seen the 331 being used per country - so a global statistic is being misused again to say its 331 in the UK, it deliberately misinforms.

Where there is a stat for a trans person killed we should have the same next to it for women and men. I really hate how this is twisted.

As for HM, why didn't HM just shower somewhere else? I agree that there must be more to it than that...

Male entitlement.

And thanks for posting the stats about women/murders. Next time the incorrect trans stats are trotted out, I'm going to innocently ask what the stats for women are. If they don't know, then it shows they don't give a shit (which we already knew...).

Yes Soph I agree.

Also, how can girls (in this climate) speak up for female change rooms if the perception is: “you’re saying your trans teammate harassed you!?”

NO, not at all - we just want and need a female space, nothing personal about it.

The “not liked” could be due to HM acting foremost as an individual, rather than as a team player. The refusal to compromise on showering + the timing of this disclosure + criticising your teammates on Twitter (!!) are all indicative of that mindset.

Yes.

the drawback with making it about showers is that it can then lead to debates over an individuals genital configuration, when in fact the issue is that it’s the whole body that doesn’t belong in women’s sports, not just the penis in the showers.

There is no reason to think anything “happened in the change rooms,”
seems like unfair and unhelpful speculation. Besides, female spaces are needed even if others behave blamelessly.

Women should have access to female only change rooms regardless.

That said, this was a good outcome - good to see the manager support the players.

Well done handball Australia. Gotta nip this narcissitic misogyny in the bud.