Why Hannah Mouncey wasn't picked for the world championships

most heterosexual males probably wouldn't do anything other than look, but a. that's more than enough to make the experience miserable for the woman, b. we do not consent to that when we enter what's meant to be a women's space and c. what about the ones who will do more?

Absolutely.
Even if there are no crimes at all, we'll know that there are sneaky glances and dodgy thoughts going on.

It's all about 'everyone being comfortable' and women are not comfortable changing with men.

Telling people that their not meekly allowing you to violate their boundaries makes you angry makes the whole "yeah but crime would be dealt with" thing meaningless, because if you've already made it clear that you don't think other people should be allowed to have boundaries then clearly you are operating on a very different definition of what a crime is to almost everyone else

Yes, this.

Also, whilst obviously any crime being prosecuted and criminal found guilty is a good thing, it doesn't make the victim untraumatised does it? The damage is done, and can't be undone by a successful prosecution. What is wrong that they keep trotting out the 'well, we'll deal with crime if it occurs' it's infuriating. I don't leave my house or car unlocked and think 'well, i'll just deal with the crime if it happens'. M&S and the rest don't leave their tills full of money every night - why not? Why don't they just 'deal with inapproprate' stealing of money after the fact if they expect women to do the same. The double standards and throwing women and girls under the bus is so clear.

Anyway, yes, Hannah. Given his statements I'd definitely trust him a lot less than most men, and give a wide wide berth to any space I might be alone with him in.

Betty Boop!

I’m imagining a Marilyn Monroe ‘some like it hot’ voice actually...

"What, is someone tutting? Sorry, I can't hear you over my massive ego"

(Imagine I had a much deeper voice and an Aussie accent)

I'd like to thank Hannah for one of the most nauseating pieces of narcissism I think I've ever read.
I particularly enjoyed the emotional blackmail at the end. Nice touch.

I really hope the women didn't want hannah on the team, because winning by cheating is wrong too. I'd prefer to lose than do that to other teams.

I'm doing my hardest tut

Oh yes I forgot the power unleashed when you tut.

Only just yesterday - I was being attacked by seven ninja assassins. I held up my head, opened my mouth and unleashed my ‘tut’. They all fell down dead...

There's always tutting, of course. We all know how males fear a good tut.

Well I’m sure if they did something ‘inappropriate’ they would be vigorously asked to leave (the victim not the perpetrator).

I mean, most heterosexual males probably wouldn't do anything other than look, but a. that's more than enough to make the experience miserable for the woman, b. we do not consent to that when we enter what's meant to be a women's space and c. what about the ones who will do more?

Because they feel like a woman 🙄. Can’t you tell (even naked in the shower with working anatomy, and a penchant for the ladies...)?

What's the difference between showering with a heterosexual male who thinks they're a woman and showering with any other heterosexual male? Nobody has ever even attempted to answer that as far as I can tell, even asking it seems to be forbidden.

(Waits for reports to pour in)

Funny how people like HM are always lesbians as well. No woman should be forced to shower with HM it’s the same as being asked to shower with any other biological male. The sheer entitlement is appalling.

Telling people that their not meekly allowing you to violate their boundaries makes you angry makes the whole "yeah but crime would be dealt with" thing meaningless, because if you've already made it clear that you don't think other people should be allowed to have boundaries then clearly you are operating on a very different definition of what a crime is to almost everyone else.

I'm quite glad that Mouncey doesn't have the sense to keep their trap shut.

Telling women how angry you are that you can't violate their boundaries is a direct and frequent consequence of this ideology.

Which is why assuring women that you will deal with any crime committed does not address the issue.

Mouncey's arrogant, aggressive, domineering, entitled attitude is far more common.

The fact that Mouncey can't see it is their undoing.

That picture of Mouncey throwing her ladyship at a woman with kneebraces was truly terrifying. Jesus H. Christ.

Mademoiselle passed the fitness tests with relative ease? No shit sherlock.

People will do what's easy over what's right

Indeed, Hannah, they often do, resulting in people like you getting your way. Luckily this time they decided to do what's right instead.

So, we can infer that the women have said 'we don't want you changing or showering with us' and he said 'no, I want to ignore your clear boundaries and shower with you whether you like it or not'.

If they didn't want to shower with him before, I bet they're even keener to avoid now. He doesn't seem to understand the concept of a woman saying no.

And yes to the PP who said he seems to think forcing women to do something they don't want to do against their will is much more important than playing for his country.

Good on that team manager.

It would also be letting down the 331 trans women we know of who were murdered last year simply because they were trans.
This is a lie. Most were murdered because they live in a dangerous country with a high murder rate and were sex workers. Very few (if any) were murdered simply because they were trans.

let down the 48 per cent of trans young people who have attempted suicide at some point in their lives
More lies. This figure is a complete fabrication.

So glad he has been excluded. Of course women don't want him in the shower with them or changing with them or playing sport together! He is male.

HM is 6’ 4” 195cm and weighs 15st 10lb 99kg. Not an even playing field having to be tackled by a male of that size. It’s dangerous and women should walk off the field when expected to compete against a team or opponent that allows trans women. Also an unfair advantage for the team that has mix sex players.

My take on the article is that the excuse offered by the coach was so it wouldn’t be obvious the issue was the presence of male genitalia.

I later had it confirmed by someone else within Handball Australia who had done some digging that: “From everything I’ve been told, you’ve basically not been picked because you’re not liked.” And the reason I’m not liked is because I told our manager, and by extension those players, exactly where he and they could go in trying to tell me where I could change and shower.

Hang on so Mouncey was left out not because of Mouncey's use of women's showers, but because of Mouncey's reaction to being told not to shower with the women?

Is that the only reason people don't like Mouncey?

Okey, yes I think women would, within the rules of the sport concerned. Women's rugby, AFL, women are going to go in as hard as they can. It's just that'll they should be doing so against opponents who match them in terms of physical strength, i.e other women rather than individuals with the physiological advantages bestowed by male puberty and years of elevated testosterone, heavier, denser skeletons, massively larger VOMax, etc etc.

What really struck me was the pic of HM hanging onto or dragging down another player who already has weak knees going by the braces. Do women ever do this? Put all their weight on an opponent? Imagine playing ot practicing against that...