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A woman who asked for her NHS breast-screening to be carried out by a female-born clinician was pilloried as a transphobe by a hospital trust

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stumbledin · 08/12/2019 16:50

Clare Dimyon, 54, who was raped as a teenager and is a lesbian, wrote formal letters asking to be seen by a “natal female” when she went for a mammogram on Christmas Eve last year.

She made clear that after being violated by a man when she was “little more than a child” she did not consent to intimate procedures being carried out by people born as boys.

Staff at the Brighton and Sussex University Hospitals NHS Trust were “visibly shocked” but sympathetic.

The mammographer signed one letter confirming she was female and another letter was placed in Dimyon’s medical records. But two weeks ago she saw her letters highlighted by the trust as examples of “unacceptable” and “highly discriminatory” communications in guidelines to support trans patients and staff.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/patient-branded-transphobic-after-asking-for-female-medic-3jh3snddt?shareToken=412f21b1846cf5dca5d036d78a8bed8a&wgu=270525_54264_15757964141189_2266477043&wgexpiry=1583572414&utm_source=planit&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_content=22278&fbclid=IwAR0mhEFWZkzwY4ohxW6Na9Q0fguFO5k6jDXsSUAhZ6YWp2DQIXC__5eDNvI

How is it possible that the medical profession have also signed up to the lal la land of gender.

Surely of any group of people they should know and respect the reality of biological sex.

And be trained to understand respecting patient's privacy and need for post traume support.

I wish it were possible to say oh well this is Brighton, but it seems the whole NHS has been captured and is now compliant with the trans agenda - at the expense of women.

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Pommie69 · 02/08/2021 17:24

Grimbeline, thank you for kind thought. I am autistic I know the MOJ spreados inside out (better than they do according to Rory Stewart) and I am daughter and granddaughter of doctors... I know mixed wards are dangerous, knew that from the minute they announced them. I cannot place myself at risk of rape, that is NOT going to happen. IF I have to do without NHS medical care because they dont understand a medical condition, then I cannot receive medical attention I need. It is clear. I will do everything to keep myself and other women & girls safe. Then it is not wasted.

Pommie69 · 02/08/2021 17:21

@SourAppleChew... no it is not hard.... the issue is about MALES... those raped and sexually abused may have particular issues with Asian males but not Asian female clinicians. Those in the Rotherham scnadal were RAPED and sexually abused by MALE people. I have heard of no-one EVER objecting to a female. I was raped by a white male, my willy-phobia relates to them being male NOT to their ethnic origin. I have the same issue with all male clinicians regardless of the ethnic origin but not until after doctors cared for me with total oblivion of the obvious things NOT to do to a female rape survivor which included indecent assault on the operating table because they didnt understand medical CONSENT, nor what it might mean to a rape survivor. You are conlating two issues that do not belong together. That is not how trauma works at all.

SourAppleChew · 01/08/2021 01:39

While I think that is an awful thing for the patient to ask, I'm not comfortable with asking patients to se any doctor they are uncomfortable with, even for stupid or unethical reasons.

But surely to assume it’s for unethical reasons is just as bad as assuming that the woman is OP is transphobic? The person in that particular case may have been raped by a POC etc. Similarly, the girls from the Rotherham abuse scandal may not feel comfortable being intimately examined by an Asian individual. It’s a difficult topic and hard to know exactly where to draw the line.

RealHousewifeofBarnardCastle · 31/07/2021 23:52

Ffs this is such bullshit

Grimbelina · 31/07/2021 23:50

Thank you and I am so, so sorry for everything you have been through, and are still going through.

Pommie69 · 30/07/2021 13:36

And maybe I can dig out the text for you to use. I have been using this equality language for a LONG time and I can seriously play with their heads!

ScreamingMeMe · 30/07/2021 12:00

That's absolutely shocking Clare. Thank yiu for your bravery Flowers

HeavenHotel · 30/07/2021 11:32

Thank you Clare Thanks

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Pommie69 · 30/07/2021 00:17

In fact my 1st #MeToo was in 1998, I was a school teacher, I tried to warn about #RapeinSchools. I can honestly say it was worse than the original assault, my senior colleagues turned on me. I can only describe it as a form of professional crucifixion... I wasnt happy to be right. I couldnt live with what the school in particular the head teacher was doing, it was just awful.

Pommie69 · 30/07/2021 00:13

www.independent.co.uk/voices/schoolgirl-abducted-raped-oxford-thoughts-teacher-victim-survivor-sexual-assault-a7352581.html

this was the original letter, it just fell on the page, I didnt need to correct it, it just fell out so clearly. I wasnt even going to do anything with it and then I thought well why not try?

Pommie69 · 30/07/2021 00:12

Postscript 2) another funny thing on Twitter and all of a sudden I am speaking to a mother of a girl at the school in the same year...she told me the headmistress (girls school) caught my lesson plan lobbed in the air... and told the kids and teachers in assembly, told them someone did this 'thing' and how it was to help them. She said that... the coverage was grim, many nasty salacious grot, classic victim blaming and at all the girls, that it was grim for two terms except for this one thing. Her daughter came home and told her all about it. "Someone did that for us." I was a teacher it was exactly what I hoped. It gave me so much peace.

Pommie69 · 30/07/2021 00:08

over a year later some sad a certain thing on a tweet and it was like she knew me and thought well of me... it seemed a bit odd so I asked her about it... she said "Well, actually... Im in Sydney and I saw the headline and thought "Gulp...but I gotta read this..." and she did and wept for several hours...because someone gave a damn. I think she was even at work. She had had an horrific experience.

Pommie69 · 30/07/2021 00:05

Gosh... I just couldnt walk on by, I dont care what the kid did, no 14yo should be subjected that, it was just in me. The BBC Adina Campbell was all "Will you come to Oxford...for an interview", she was SO manipulative...but I also knew it MIGHT reach women and girls it needed to reach. I spoke to a lovely woman on the then BBC helpline, she said she had seen really great feedback, all appreciative...I just had to let that ripple in the pond do its thing... and know I would probably never know the outcome and who it had reached... BUT postscript

Redshoeblueshoe · 29/07/2021 23:07

Clare Flowers

SnoopyLights · 29/07/2021 22:51

This is absolutely shocking.

She gave them so much personal information to justify why she needed a natal female healthcare provider, and they still manage to make out she's transphobic?

No woman should ever have to give a reason for asking for a same sex healthcare provider or other professional.

It bothers me that she has to justify her request by disclosing being sexually abused as a child, and it bothers me that even when a woman states she has been abused by a man, she still isn't allowed agency over her body and her healthcare without false accusations of transphobia.

Much the same as access to terminations shouldn't be based on whether a woman has been raped, access to same sex healthcare providers or other professional support should not be withheld unless a woman has been abused by a man. Stating that you want / need a same sex professional to care for you is not transphobic.

That hospital trust have badly let down every woman they are responsible for, both as employees and as service users. They should be ashamed of themselves.

Artichokeleaves · 29/07/2021 22:06

Clare Flowers

Its when women are so brave in being able to put this stuff in the public domain that the realities of it all start to bite. Women's needs cannot be subordinated to political ideals.

Helleofabore · 29/07/2021 21:33

I wanted to say thank you too, Clare. Flowers

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 29/07/2021 21:00

I'm sorry that you ever needed to stand up for yourself in this way, but I'm grateful that you did it because so many women will benefit from your bravery.

ArabellaScott · 29/07/2021 20:41

Clare Flowers thank you for your bravery. In awe.

Pommie69 · 29/07/2021 20:30

my financial circumstances very precarious meant I didnt dare take a case in case I lost.
I didnt know LBC did a piece how interesting!

Pommie69 · 29/07/2021 20:29

Hi All,
this was me!
HMQ gave me a medal for "LGBT" so I feel kinda responsible.
I have "Daughter and granddaughter of doctors Disorder", I had genuine apprehension so I wrote two documents for the mammographer to sign. They were lovely and shocked I was even asking. They were fantastic, there was no fault at the clinic.
I am aware others are frightened and this worked, so I posted online for others to know what they could try.
I hope the MBE [LGBT] thing can help others. I have been in this "LGBT" soup being a campaigner but THIS is not what any of us signed up for. I feel terrible but I am also directly affected.
The Equality & Diversity team FOUND it online and...
stripped out that it was a mammogram and actually covered by sex -exemption (I didnt know that before but it is)
the stripped out MBE [LGBT] with the excuse of confidentiality, when I posted it online, so why did they take it out I wonder?

I found it by accident online and recognised my letter in one of their documents (with mammogram and MBE LGBT) stripped out and YES I jolly well did go top the Times. I must also say that although I have been doing being an out rape survivor since 12 months before #MeToo, it wasn't easy and Nicholas Hellen was an absolutely gent, he really couldn't have been more appropriate as a journalist interviewing a rape survivor. That is more than can be said for Adina Campbell who in fact groomed me into "going public". Highly manipulative and they were waiving legal waivers under my face, not for my welfare, oh no, so I put some clauses in of my own and then had to spend the whole weekend, exhausted from the whole thing, chasing the BBC to get them to DO what they said and not to place me in needless danger. I really appreciated reading your comments, I hadnt seen it til today.

I am a Quaker and in fact on the 32nd anniversary, I had an article published by the Quaker weekly journal The Friend (15 April 2016). It's in Quaker jargon but if you are interested.
www.sexsegregatedprisons.info/moj-prison-popn-statistics/only-3-9-prison-popn-female/quaker-testimony-rape

Strawcherries · 11/06/2021 16:29

uncomdrable = uncomfortable

Strawcherries · 11/06/2021 16:29

It needs to be clearly stated, that if a female patient does not want to be intimately touched by someone they perceive as male, their right to say no is trumped by the male person's requirement that their personal choice of subjective identity be respected over and above reality and fact.
Interesting. I would also prefer not to be examined by a trans men whom I perceive as male in their presentation, mannerism etc.

I had a coupe of male midwives with dc and I felt totally uncomdrable about it. It's different with male doctors as they are not caring for you as such. I felt so self conscious when I had to throw up in the middle of night after my CS and show him a massive clot that I had passed as they wanted to keep an eye on things. Awful and not what I needed. I put up with it but I think midwifery is for natal women.

Cailleach1 · 11/06/2021 16:26

I don't know. However, I imagine all the nasty discrimination against (mostly women) people who don't believe in the gender ideology can now be informed by the Maya case.

Otherwise, they are deliberated promoting bigotry, and illegally discriminating against and slandering people for their belief in scientific facts.