What does it mean to live as a woman for a year?

None of us think this is a joke joolz.

Hi Joolz

Can you give me a specific example of how you lived as your preferred gender?

Hey Ho ...

Another 'Slap the Trannies' thread

(which even I appreciate can be fun, but don't you all get a little tired of repeating the same old jokes/ faux outrage/ deliberate misunderstandings etc ?)

The RLT (Real Life Test) serves a purpose.

When I did mine, I worked on a night shift in a factory.

The evening I walked into that factory knowing that everyone around me knew the one thing about myself that I had kept secret for most of my adult life was - frankly - terrifying.

But it had to be done ... not for the Doctors, nor the Gender Recognition Panel, nor the Gender Clinic I was attending at the time, nor the psycho therapist or anyone else you could think of ...

It was important for me.

Is this the right thing for me to do? should I make the 'LIFELONG' commitment to this change? Is it appropriate in terms of living a happy life?

Now, I figured out almost immediately that working all night and sleeping all day was an extremely easy way of passing through the RLT ... So I changed it

I got a job working Days (long hours) in Retail

That was hard, not least because Genetics have not been kind so to look at my face is to immediately understand my life history. But it had to be done ...

because RLT isn't some process to be cheated on, its a necessary process to be undertaken in order to understand ones own motivations before possibly (and not everyone continues the process) making permanent changes.

Now, we can all make (bad) jokes at the expense of the 'Local Tranny', and I wouldn't for a moment want to intrude on your fun ... so by all means Crack On with that ...

But people who engage in this process honestly and openly are not your enemies

They are people trying to make sense of their own lives

That's all ... and RLT (when undertaken honestly) helps with that

Now ... back to the jokes ...

AdultHumanWithOvaries

I agree. It's as though 'the right to a private life' has been interpreted out of all recognition.

It isn’t just the hurry feels though. It’s how the government and other orgs can reverse whilst saving face.

Datun

The problem I have with this whole thing is that it's a deception. A cover up of the truth. Sanctioned by the state. Forcing me to be an unwilling participant in someone else's therapy or fantasy. Right there is the reason they want it 'private'.

Fuck that.

Or announce loudly and proudly that as people are now ready for change, there is much less danger to transwomen in own-sex facilities? Surely that’s where they should be aiming.

It’s the pretence and squirming around to avoid ‘being hurtful’ that really bugs me.

If they wanted a way out, they could publish the results of last year's consultation - it's pretty clear it didn't go the way they expected - and mumble some platitude about the public not being ready for change.

It can only ever mean being an adult human female and living for a year.

Otherwise it is taking on the appearance of that woman who has been living for a year, ie in the style of a woman. What that is can vary according to each and every woman.

Part of the problem is that none of this nonsense can be stopped without the government admitting that they got this horribly wrong

They are good at reverse ferret on other issues. I am sure they can find a way out, if they try. But we have to make sure it is not at women's expense.

Part of the problem is that none of this nonsense can be stopped without the government admitting that they got this horribly wrong.

I don't know about Middlesex - possibly one of the most tedious books I've ever read and that's a crowded field - but I do kind of wonder if all those movies: Some Like it Hot, Tootsie, Mrs Doubtfire are partly to blame. They were fiction you people! Not for one second was Sugar taken in by Josephine and Daphne, or Julie by Dorothy. We were only laughing along because it was so ludicrous.

AdultHumanWithOvaries

It's about privacy, apparently.

So if your birth certificate now says you're a female, and you have the protected characteristic of that sex, and you look exactly like a woman, no one will ever know that you're trans or a former man.

It's kept private.

That's the theory, and, I believe, the basis on which it all pivoted.

But of course, in practice it is exceptionally rare for any man to actually look female, particularly in the flesh.

So the privacy aspect is a little moot.

Can anyone tell me what benefit there is for a transwoman to change their sex on their birth certificate to 'female'?

I know previously that it was to allow a backdoor single sex marriage, but now, what is the point of it?

I can only draw the conclusion that the only reason is to obfuscate, confuse and mislead people into allowing people of the opposite sex into areas they wouldn't otherwise be allowed. The GRA should be scrapped.

There is no reason to record someone's gender. It's irrelevant. Unless someone can give me a coherant reason otherwise?

The materials I was given when starting to work with trans people were a few years old and stank so comprehensively of southern English sexism that my mental health came under genuine threat. I could not stand that I was being asked to perpetuate and eve stereotypes I had viscerally loathed all my life. Despite conforming to them myself - in the lovely TRA jargon, I look like a total Karen myself.

Tbh the entire trans theory is a mishmash of 50s, 60s and 70s junk overlain with neoliberalism and a sprinkle of queer theory. I actually blame Jeffery Eugenides for writing Middlesex.

The main problem in the West is a separate legal category wasn't created for trans people but instead a farcical and convoluted process to shove them into existing biological categories was quickly drawn up.

In order to avoid bringing in same-sex marriage. The European Court decided that a transwoman was being denied some rights by not being allowed to marry a man. This could have been resolved by passing a law which allowed same-sex marriage, which we now have, making that reason for needing a GRC obsolete.

I have a unisex name
I wear jeans 98% of the time
I sometimes watch football
I do the gardening/car maintenance

In a gendered dystopian future will I be declassified? Unwomaned?

The entire framework around the GRA needs to be scrapped or repurposed.

Woman and man are inextricably linked to biological sex. End of. Neither sex can identify into or change into the other category. It's a biological impossibility so any legal framework that purports to do so is effectively a farce.

Two new legally protected categories should be established. There could be better terminology, but for now as an example, call them transwoman and transman.

So

• Man
• Woman
• Transman
• Transwoman

Only a man can have a legal gender reassignment to transwoman. Only a woman can have a legal gender reassignment to transman.

In the Equalities Act, in addition to sex, gender reassignment is already a protected characteristic, so no one should discriminate or harass a person based on their trans status.

The only way men or women can legally move to the recognised trans category is via obtaining a Gender Recognition Certificate which we already have.
There should be no medical or surgical or any other criteria required to obtain a GRC. It should be a simple paperwork where a man can apply to be legally recognised as a transwoman or a woman can apply to be legally recognised as a transman. There is no need to change names on bills or whatever. If they want to alter their appearance or name that's their personal choice but it has no bearing on trans status.

A man can only be a transwoman and a woman can only be a transman. This has the advantage that if a person later decides their decision to become trans was a mistake or they are no longer happy being trans, they can submit straightforward paperwork again and the GRC will be cancelled, so the person automatically is legally classified under their biological sex i.e man or woman as appropriate.

A GRC should NOT enable a person to change their sex on their birth certificate, but there can be additional info recorded stating that a GRC is issued so the trans status takes precedence over birth sex in most cases.

The main problem in the West is a separate legal category wasn't created for trans people but instead a farcical and convoluted process to shove them into existing biological categories was quickly drawn up.
Cultures that accept trans people explicitly have separate categories for them because they know it is folly to include them as men or women.

I think if society was more fluid life would be better for all. If we were less hung up on stereotypes and less conscious of how we present to others people would be more relaxed.

I rather think you're preaching to the choir here - women already are a very varied lot, accepting whether you're in jeans and t-shirt or floor-length laura ashley.

The people with the big problem, who apparently abuse feminine looking men in toilets, and who think that putting on a dress changes a person's sex are mainly males. We all know plenty of women who don't wear makeup, or have short hair, or wear trousers. How many of us know plenty of men who do wear makeup, have long hair and wear skirts? It's men that are repressed and repressing other men here, not women.

So how do I do womaning ...

A typical week:

Get up, shower & teeth, dress in whatever the weather suggests, go to cafes, shopping, make dinner, watch TV, films & plays, clean bathroom and kitchen, hoover occasionally, garden a bit, go to work, do some painting and decorating, laundry, read books on all different subjects, mess about on social media, visit family, socialise, community thing, deal with menopause stuff, bit of exercise, go to appointments, worry, try to deal with money, worry some more.

That's pretty much it. My womaning reality.

There's only one thing in there that I do BECAUSE OF MY SEX.

The reason that proof of "living as a woman" is your gas bill is because if it wasn't, the ludicrous sexist house of cards would become immediately obvious. What would they have? Passing panels? 1950s grooming and etiquette tests?

It's just a farce.

I think it means wearing hot pants and glitter eye shadow, I evidently stopped being a woman in the 1980's.

A friend of mine is TS and complained that the Dr doing the assessments was grilling her about not dressing feminine enough - e.g. not wearing dresses or makeup. Friend is a jeans & t-shirts type, and while not overly girly, the t-shirts and hoodies she picks have colours and designs that are clearly not typical 'man' designs iyswim?
Which amused me as I realised around 75% of the time I must not be living as a woman?

Jewel - there is no such thing as "a gender". There are two sexes and as many personalities as people on the planet. Everything else is meaningless waffle. There is no way to live or present as a woman. You either are one (an adult human female) or you aren't. That simple.

You have to cut your pay and ask your male colleagues to take your ideas and present them as their own 20 seconds after you voiced them to the same audience